Can this in any way be considered to be a circularly polarized wave?

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The discussion revolves around whether a specific wave expression can be classified as a circularly polarized wave. Participants explore the characteristics of the wave, including its mathematical representation and the implications of phase shifts, while considering the definitions and conditions for circular polarization.

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  • One participant argues that the wave cannot be considered circularly polarized due to the lack of twisting along the direction of propagation, noting that at t=0, the electric field vectors point entirely in the x-axis direction.
  • Another participant counters that the phase shift in the y-axis indicates circular polarization, suggesting that the field circulates with time at any given z location.
  • A later reply clarifies that the expression represents a standing wave circularly polarized (CP) wave, which is a sum of two counter-propagating CP waves of opposite polarization, rather than a single propagating CP wave.
  • This reply also details the necessary modifications to the wave expression to represent a single propagating CP wave, including the absence of the sin(kz) term and the introduction of a phase angle θ.
  • The concept of left circularly polarized (LCP) and right circularly polarized (RCP) waves is introduced, with distinctions made regarding the phase angles for each type.

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Participants express differing views on whether the wave can be classified as circularly polarized, with no consensus reached. The discussion highlights competing interpretations of the wave's characteristics and the definitions of circular polarization.

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Participants reference specific mathematical forms and conditions for circular polarization, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and interpretations of the wave's behavior.

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Can this in any way be considered a circularly polarized wave?

Can this wave in any way be considered circularly polarized?

[itex]\overrightarrow {E}\left( z,t\right) =\left[\widehat {i}\cos \left( \omega t\right) +\widehat {j}\cos \left( wt-\dfrac {\pi } {2}\right)\right] E_{0}\sin \left( kz\right)[/itex]

I say no, since there is no twisting along the direction of propagation. If you plug in t=0 for instance, the vectors will be pointing entirely in the x-axis direction.

My friend disagrees and mentions the phase shift in the y-axis as evidence for circular polarization.
 
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DocZaius said:
Can this wave in any way be considered circularly polarized?

[itex]\overrightarrow {E}\left( z,t\right) =\left[\widehat {i}\cos \left( \omega t\right) +\widehat {j}\cos \left( wt-\dfrac {\pi } {2}\right)\right] E_{0}\sin \left( kz\right)[/itex]

I say no, since there is no twisting along the direction of propagation. If you plug in t=0 for instance, the vectors will be pointing entirely in the x-axis direction.

My friend disagrees and mentions the phase shift in the y-axis as evidence for circular polarization.
Your friend is right - at any z location, field is circulating in direction with time. And that means a CP (circularly polarized) wave. You appear to be confusing CP with corkscrew motion that would apply to propagation down a twisted waveguide.
 
Thanks for the quick reply!
 
DocZaius said:
Thanks for the quick reply!
You're welcome - I just happened to be viewing at the time and felt the impulse to respond! :smile:
 
I should add that your expression in #1 represents a standing wave CP (sum of two counter-propagating CP waves of opposite CP polarization) not propagating one. For a single propagating CP wave, the sin(kz) term is absent and the cos(ωt), cos(ωt-π/2) arguments are replaced with cos(ωt-kz-θ), cos(ωt-π/2-kz-θ) respectively, with θ determined by the given t=0 temporal phase conditions at z=0. That may represent a LCP wave (left circularly polarized) - counterclockwise rotation of field as viewed along propagation axis with wave receding. For a RCP wave, an extra phase angle of π is added to either one, but not both, of the above arguments for cos. Convention for handedness can vary, but I believe above is the more standard one.
 
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