Can Two Street Cars Be Pulled Up a Slope with a Low Friction Coefficient?

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The problem involves two identical street cars connected by a cable, with one car on a slope of 14 degrees and experiencing a low friction coefficient of 0.13. The scenario raises questions about the initial acceleration of the cars and the forces acting on them, particularly tension and friction.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law (F=ma) and the role of tension in the system. There are questions about the direction of friction and its impact on the forces involved. Some participants express confusion about the setup and the assumptions made in the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing confirmations and clarifications regarding the direction of forces. There is a critical perspective on the problem's validity, suggesting that the scenario may be flawed due to the low coefficient of friction and the implications for the cars' motion.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the low friction coefficient and the assumptions about the cars' ability to remain on the slope. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their diagram and the setup of the problem.

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Two identical street cars are connected by a cable. One car has fallen off a bridge. The other car is going up a slope of 14 degrees, and has on its breaks, mu=0.13. People rush to jump on the second car so it will be heavy enough to pull up the first car. What is the initial acceleration of the cars, in ft/s^2
After drawing the graph, I still dun know how to solve the problem. I know I should use F=ma, but I really dun know about tension. btw, am I drawing the right sketch? thanks so much!
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I think the car is supposed to be going uphill; your car is going downhill..right?
 
nop it going up
thats why
F=m*a=friction+ tension+w*g*sin(theta) is upwards
 
Which direction is friction acting in?
I think you have it right in your picture, but you use it incorrectly when you're resolving forces in your equation.
 
since motion is upwards, the friction acts on downwards.
 
uskalu said:
since motion is upwards, the friction acts on downwards.

I don't know who came up withthis problem or its solution, but it appears seriously flawed. Even if the 2nd car was on a level track, the brakes couldn't prevent it from sliding off the bridge along with the first car, if the coefficient of static friction was only 0.13. And then even assuming this is an incorrect coefficient, then in order to pull both cars up the slope, there would have to be a friction force up the slope, applied between the train's driving wheels and the tracks, to move it at some constant speed, not at some minimum acceleration, and the max force available would depend upon then mass of the car and the passengers in it. Bad problem.
 

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