Can Ultrasound Be Used to Penetrate Through Air and Bone?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using low-frequency ultrasound (20-40 kHz) to penetrate air and bone, specifically in the context of stimulating plant roots in soil. Participants highlight the challenges posed by acoustic impedance and the inverse square law, which diminish ultrasound effectiveness. Solutions such as using phased array transducers and ellipsoidal reflectors are proposed to focus energy. The conversation also touches on the potential of ultrasound to enhance plant growth and defend against pests, although the efficacy of this method remains experimental.

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Sibilo said:
Sibilo said:
Those are not links to peer-reviewed journal articles. Those are links to popular press articles that are trying to sell subscriptions to their platform.

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berkeman said:
Those are not links to peer-reviewed journal articles. Those are links to popular press articles that are trying to sell subscriptions to their platform.

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yes, I understood, but I said from the beginning that it was my experimentation followed by articles. However, now it seems a bit unfair to close, what will you do?
 
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Sibilo said:
good morning I have a small problem, so can a low frequency 20 - 40 khz ultrasound beam pass through 60 cm of "air" and then 3 cm of bone? Considering the low frequency of ultrasound in this case it is possible
Sibilo said:
yes, I understood, but I said from the beginning that it was my experimentation followed by articles. However, now it seems a bit unfair to close, what will you do?
From the beginning you misrepresented your question, presumably to conceal the strange nature of your experiments. You received good replies with respect to the impedance mismatch problem, and also good suggestions to improve the setup (put the ultrasonic transducers in the soil near the target roots). That is about the best we can do for you now under these circumstances.

Certainly if you or others get work published in the peer-reviewed literature (per the PF rules link that I noted), then contact the Mentors and we can re-open this thread.

Thanks to all who tried to help the OP.
 
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