Can velocity and wavefunction help prove Probability Current Density?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Probability Current Density in quantum mechanics, specifically exploring the relationship between velocity and the wavefunction. Participants inquire about the mathematical formulation and its proof, as well as interpretations of the velocity term in various contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to prove that Probability Current Density equals velocity multiplied by the square of the wavefunction, j = v * ψ².
  • Another participant references a book, "Quantum Mechanics" by Landau, which states that the probability is proportional to the current density along the z-axis.
  • A different participant clarifies that in quantum mechanics, the current density is defined as j = ρv, where ρ is the probability density |ψ|², leading to the expression j = |ψ|²vz.
  • One participant discusses the historical context of the relation j = ρv from continuum mechanics, explaining its application to quantum mechanics and the continuity equation for probability flow.
  • A question is raised about whether the quantity in the probability current can be interpreted as velocity without adopting the Bohmian interpretation of quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant explains that in Bohmian theory, the expression for velocity is understood as the particle's velocity, but acknowledges that actual velocity may fluctuate due to external factors, suggesting it represents an expected average velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of velocity in the context of Probability Current Density, particularly regarding the necessity of the Bohmian interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of velocity and its relation to the wavefunction.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the definitions and interpretations of terms like probability density and current density may vary, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical derivations and assumptions involved in these concepts.

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hello, everyone. I have a question about Probability Current Density. I read a book which says that Probability Current Density equals velocity multiply wavefunction^2 .How to prove it? thank you!j=v*ψ^2.
best wishes!
 
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Demystifier said:
Can you say what book it is?

Quantum Mechanics-Landau
chapter77 The required probability w is proportional to the current density along the z-axis. In
the classically accessible region, this is vzψ^2

thankyou!
 
The definition is much different but you know that j is defined as ρv.now ρ in quantum mechanics should be probability density which is |ψ|2,and hence current density
should be (along z axis) |ψ|2vz
 
einstein1921,

the relation

<br /> \mathbf j = \rho \mathbf v<br />

was introduced already in continuum mechanics (Eulerian description). It gives amount of mass that will flow through a small planar surface of area \Delta S and perpendicular to unit vector \mathbf n after time interval \Delta t:

<br /> amount~of~mass = \mathbf j \cdot (\Delta S \mathbf n) \Delta t<br />

Have a look into beginning chapters of some textbook on hydrodynamics, they explain this in greater length.

The mass density \rho and current density \mathbf j satisfy the equation of continuity

<br /> \partial_t \rho + \nabla \cdot \mathbf j = 0.<br />


It turns out that Schroedinger's equation for one particle allows similar current density \mathbf f to be defined, with the difference that now it gives the "amount of probability that flows through small area in unit time" in space, instead of giving directly amount of mass.

In theory based on Schroedinger's equation, the equation of continuity (of "probability flow") is

<br /> \partial_t (\psi^*\psi) + \nabla \cdot \mathbf f = 0,<br />

where \mathbf f is a triple of numbers given by

<br /> \mathbf f = Re \{\frac{1}{m} \psi^* \hat{\boldsymbol \pi} \psi \}.<br />

Here \hat{\boldsymbol \pi} = \hat{\mathbf p} - \frac{q}{c}\mathbf A(\mathbf r) is operator of kinetic momentum (mv) of the particle. All this can be derived from Schroedinger's equation.

We can even retain the same formula for current density as in continuum mechanics

<br /> \mathbf f = \rho \mathbf v,<br />

provided we define
<br /> \rho = \psi^*\psi,<br />

<br /> \mathbf v = \frac{Re\{ \frac{1}{m} \psi^* \hat{\boldsymbol \pi} \psi \}}{\rho}.<br />
 
I have another question, for everybody here. Can this quantity in the probability current be interpreted as velocity if one does NOT adopt the Bohmian interpretation of quantum mechanics?
 
In Bohmian theory the above expression for \mathbf v is understood directly as the velocity of the particle. But the actual value of velocity of the particle cannot be so simple; the velocity, if it exists, surely has to fluctuate (due to background radiation)). But I think we can understand the above expression in this way:

The expression

<br /> \mathbf v(\mathbf r) = Re\{ \frac{1}{m} \psi^*(\mathbf r) \hat{\boldsymbol{\pi}} \psi(\mathbf r) \}<br />

gives expected average velocity for particle that is at \mathbf r. So it may be a kind of conditional probabilistic description of velocity.
 
thank you all!
 

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