Can Water Become Magnetized on a Magnet?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether water can become magnetized when placed in a magnetic field, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects of magnetism in water. Participants examine concepts such as diamagnetism, paramagnetism, and the behavior of water molecules under magnetic influence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while water molecules have a magnetic character due to their lopsided structure, the effect of a magnetic field on normal water may not lead to permanent magnetization.
  • One participant mentions that water is diamagnetic, questioning whether it can be classified as paramagnetic, and expresses uncertainty about the implications of this classification.
  • Another participant notes that water's magnetic dipole moments are small, implying limited magnetic effects.
  • There is mention of flow meters that utilize electromagnetic principles, indicating practical applications of magnetism in liquids.
  • A participant emphasizes that to magnetize a substance, it must exhibit hysteresis, which water does not, as it is classified as a diamagnet.
  • A younger participant requests help with a homework project related to magnetizing water, indicating a need for practical guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that water is diamagnetic, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of this property and whether water can be magnetized in any meaningful way. The discussion remains unresolved on the practical aspects of magnetizing water.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding of the concepts involved, with some needing to look up terms and principles. There are references to specific properties of water and its behavior in magnetic fields, but no consensus on the practical outcomes of these properties.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the properties of water, magnetism, and their applications in science and engineering, as well as students seeking clarification on related concepts for educational projects.

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i know you can ionize water to make it magnetic, but some people claim if you put a glass of normal water on a magnet (so the water is in a magnetic field) it will become magnetized in a few minutes.

my guess would be that water particles are too free to become magnetically aligned, and so it won't work.

what do you people know?
 
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Since water molecules are lopsided, they are magnetic. When water freezes, they line up according to their magnetic poles. I guess holding a magnet to a glass of water would line the molecules up a little, but it wouldn't be permanent.
 
Paramagnetic? I've never seen water as doing this before.
 
There are flow meters that use this electromagnetic principal of liquids. I looked into making a knot meter for boats using this. It works but the cost is too high compared with other methods.
 
You can create a net magnetic field by having any charged substance move in a direction. If you ionized water and caused ot to swirl in a circle, then you would have moving charges and hence a magnetic dipole field.

As already noted by Russ, water is already "magnetic", but the magnetic dipole moments of the water molecule are very small.

Russ:
here's a point I can't remember: is water diamagnetic or paramagnetic? Mk said "para" but I thought it was "dia."

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OK, I looked it up, water is "diamagnetic," buyt doesn't that mean the natural dipole moment of water should be zero? It's been too long!
 
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Ahh, yes, I was asking a question actually.
 
Chemistry ain't my thing guys, and when you start using those big words, I need to Google them too... But I'll take a stab at it: water is a liquid and therefore, (I think) only diamagnetic at a molecular level (hydrogen bonds) - as opposed to a metal rod that can be magnetized as a whole.
 
Yeh, it's not exactly life-changing is it? My anxiety grows proportionally to the mound of things I've forgotten.
 
Chi Meson said:
Yeh, it's not exactly life-changing is it? My anxiety grows proportionally to the mound of things I've forgotten.
Heh, me too.

I guess you must be happy, Red Sox won. :biggrin:
 
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You can not "magnetize" a para- or dia-magnet as their B-H curves are not hysteretic. To magnetize something, you want to have a a residual magnetization in the absence of a applied field. This can be an energy minimizing state only if there is an energy associated with some mechanism such as domain wall breaking (ie: in a ferro-magnet).
 
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Right! I was just about to say that! :rolleyes:
 
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Look, i am a 12 year-old boy, and i need help with my homework. I need you to tell me the steps to magnetize water, i have to make a project for a science fair
 
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