Can We Ever Observe Inside a Black Hole's Event Horizon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of black holes, specifically the possibility of observing phenomena inside their event horizons and the existence of singularities. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational limitations, and the potential for future advancements in telescope technology.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while black holes are accepted as existing, the nature of singularities within them remains uncertain, with questions about whether they are physical or merely indicative of limits in current understanding.
  • One participant suggests that singularities may not be physical and that a theory of quantum gravity could potentially resolve the issues surrounding them, although this remains speculative.
  • There is a claim that observing singularities directly is impossible due to their location within event horizons, but there is hope for advancements in telescope technology that might allow for observations related to black holes.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the intent to "peek inside" black holes, emphasizing that this does not imply direct observation of singularities but rather an exploration of phenomena just inside the event horizon.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of observing anything inside an event horizon, with suggestions that a future theory of quantum gravity might provide a more plausible model than the current singularity concept.
  • Participants discuss the definition of event horizons and the implications of that definition on the possibility of observation, noting that hypothesizing about the non-existence of event horizons would lead to different discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of singularities and the potential for future observations related to black holes. There is no consensus on whether singularities are physical or merely a reflection of incomplete theories, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of event horizons on observational capabilities.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the current lack of a theory of quantum gravity, which leaves the nature of singularities and their implications uncertain. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of key terms like "event horizon."

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It appears that black holes do exist in our universe, in the sense that there are objects so massive and so small that there must be an event horizon. Is it generally accepted that there is "really" a singularity inside these event horizons, or that we just don't know, and may never know?
 
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Singularities aren't physical, they're just where the physics stop making sense due to a lack of knowledge.

I read somewhere that we'll hopefully be able to peer further into black holes with one of the telescopes being constructed now. I'll try to find the article when I'm on a computer.
 
elusiveshame said:
Singularities aren't physical, they're just where the physics stop making sense due to a lack of knowledge.
We don't really know this. It's possible that singularities are physical. A lot of physicists suspect that a theory of quantum gravity would show that classical singularities really stop blowing up when you get to the Planck scale. However, we don't know that, because we don't have a theory of quantum gravity.

elusiveshame said:
I read somewhere that we'll hopefully be able to peer further into black holes with one of the telescopes being constructed now. I'll try to find the article when I'm on a computer.
No. Black hole singularities are inside an event horizon, so you can't observe them from the outside using a telescope. You may be thinking of attempts to image the event horizon.
 
I should've make my "peeking in" a bit more specific: I didn't mean we would observe the singularity, but rather we would be able to peer a little bit inside of a BH, not so much observing the inner workings/singularity.
 
elusiveshame said:
I should've make my "peeking in" a bit more specific: I didn't mean we would observe the singularity, but rather we would be able to peer a little bit inside of a BH, not so much observing the inner workings/singularity.
Even "a little bit inside" is problematic. More likely, we will develop a theory of quantum gravity whose predictions match observations everywhere that we can observe (as does GR) but also predicts something more plausible than a singularity at the center of a black hole.
 
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elusiveshame said:
I should've make my "peeking in" a bit more specific: I didn't mean we would observe the singularity, but rather we would be able to peer a little bit inside of a BH, not so much observing the inner workings/singularity.
To amplify on what Nugatory said, you might want to look up the definition of an event horizon and think about it carefully. Simply as a matter of definition, you can't peek even a little inside an event horizon. (You could hypothesize that event horizons don't actually exist, or that GR describes them incorrectly, but that would be a different issue.)
 

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