Can We Go Back to the Past? The Possibility of Reversing Time Explored

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The discussion explores the concept of reversing time and the possibility of returning to the past, touching on theoretical implications in physics, particularly through the lens of general relativity and concepts like closed timelike curves (CTCs). Participants raise questions about the feasibility of such time travel, the implications for aging, and the potential role of parallel universes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to return to the past, questioning whether it is possible and if one could return in a younger body.
  • One participant mentions that while solutions to the Einstein Field Equation suggest closed timelike curves exist, they are not considered physically reasonable by many physicists.
  • Another participant explains that traveling back to the past via CTCs would not result in becoming younger, as the aging process is tied to entropy, which complicates the scenario of having multiple copies of oneself in the same spacetime region.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the second law of thermodynamics regarding the existence of multiple copies of a person with differing entropy in a closed timelike curve scenario.
  • Some participants propose that time travel to the past could only occur if one moves far enough away from their original timeline to avoid causal intersections.
  • A minor point is made about the nature of material bodies following CTCs, suggesting that it represents an a-causal loop rather than straightforward time travel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of time travel to the past. There are multiple competing views regarding the implications of CTCs, the aging process, and the conditions under which time travel might be possible.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unresolved nature of the physical viability of closed timelike curves and the implications of entropy in time travel scenarios. The discussion also highlights the dependence on theoretical frameworks and assumptions in physics.

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Ok to begin this, I just want to say this: I"m pretty sure more than 50% of this world wants to return back to the past especially people who are getting old. They will want to go back to the days when they are young. Things which look impossible MIGHT turn possible, back in the 90"s I bet people wouldn't even think about having touch screen devices or other professional technology which we have now. Now please don't complain, I'm just asking if this is possible, people have dreams, which can come true. That"s what I want to achieve so I just want to ask a fill questions. We have also seen the past, we"ve been their before and experienced it.

1) Is it possible to return back to the past?
2) Even if we actually return, are we going to go back young again? Is this possible? Or are we staying with the same body we have now?
3) if we use the effect of parallel universe would this be better if it actually exist?

Most of you will probably tell me to enjoy your life, stay with it, stop thinking about it etc, but once we all get old I think it's too late.

Thx to all who answered this
 
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ZokunuZer0 said:
Ok to begin this, I just want to say this: I"m pretty sure more than 50% of this world wants to return back to the past especially people who are getting old. They will want to go back to the days when they are young. Things which look impossible MIGHT turn possible, back in the 90"s I bet people wouldn't even think about having touch screen devices or other professional technology which we have now. Now please don't complain, I'm just asking if this is possible, people have dreams, which can come true. That"s what I want to achieve so I just want to ask a fill questions. We have also seen the past, we"ve been their before and experienced it.

1) Is it possible to return back to the past?
2) Even if we actually return, are we going to go back young again? Is this possible? Or are we staying with the same body we have now?
3) if we use the effect of parallel universe would this be better if it actually exist?

Most of you will probably tell me to enjoy your life, stay with it, stop thinking about it etc, but once we all get old I think it's too late.

Thx to all who answered this

I've never seen anything in physics that suggests this is possible. Conceptually it is absurd imo (specifically the with regard to the way you describe the scenario).

Considering the "twin paradox". You traveling to the future is coming from the past to your new hosts.
 
ZokunuZer0 said:
1) Is it possible to return back to the past?

There are solutions to the Einstein Field Equation that contain closed timelike curves (CTCs), which is the technical way of saying "return back to the past". So as far as the best current theory we have is concerned, the answer is "in principle, yes". However, AFAIK nobody thinks those solutions are physically reasonable, so the real answer is probably "no".

However, even if it's probably not actually possible, the solutions I referred to above can be used to answer "what if" questions like the next one you pose:

ZokunuZer0 said:
2) Even if we actually return, are we going to go back young again? Is this possible? Or are we staying with the same body we have now?

The solutions I referred to above, with CTCs in them, involve you continuing to travel "forward" in time, as you perceive it, but eventually coming back to a region of spacetime that you've already been in once (and which is therefore in your "past"), similar to how you can travel around the Earth in the same direction and eventually return to your starting point. So just taking that at face value, you would still have the same body; traveling into your past by this method would not make you any younger.

However, there's a snag in this: the aging of your body involves increasing entropy, but if you could travel around a CTC and end up in the same region of spacetime again, there would have to be two "copies" of you in that region of spacetime, with different entropy. By repeating the process again and again, there could be an unbounded number of copies of you in that same region of spacetime, all with different entropy. This doesn't seem consistent with the second law of thermodynamics (and it's one reason why many physicists don't think solutions with CTCs in them are physically reasonable).

ZokunuZer0 said:
3) if we use the effect of parallel universe would this be better if it actually exist?

The solutions I referred to above don't say anything about this, so I can't answer it.
 
PeterDonis said:
By repeating the process again and again, there could be an unbounded number of copies of you in that same region of spacetime, all with different entropy. This doesn't seem consistent with the second law of thermodynamics (and it's one reason why many physicists don't think solutions with CTCs in them are physically reasonable).
You cannot use the time machine over and over again, unless you are immortal, have infinite space to occupy and have some way to dump entropy (otherwise you die from overheating within hours anyway).

2) Even if we actually return, are we going to go back young again? Is this possible? Or are we staying with the same body we have now?
The scenario says that you travel - and that "you" is the old body, with its memories and its ageing effects.
 
mfb said:
You cannot use the time machine over and over again, unless you are immortal

Which isn't ruled out by the Einstein Field Equation.

mfb said:
have infinite space to occupy

Which also isn't ruled out by the EFE; in fact, in the current "best fit" EFE solution used in cosmology, our universe is spatially infinite.

mfb said:
and have some way to dump entropy (otherwise you die from overheating within hours anyway).

Which was part of my point about the second law; but actually, just increasing entropy by itself doesn't necessarily generate any heat. That topic probably deserves a separate thread, though (and probably not in this forum since it's more about thermodynamics than relativity).
 
A minor point: a material body following CTC doesn't represent travel to the past so much as an a-causal loop (to a third party: object appears out of nowhere; splits; merges; ceases to exist). However, in a manifold allowing CTC, there are 'almost' CTC spiral curves that do represent travel to the past over and over again with increasing age.
 
I say you can travel to times in the past only if you go far enough away from your present position that your new timeline could never cause anything to happen that would intersect with your previous timeline.
 
marty1 said:
I say you can travel to times in the past only if you go far enough away from your present position that your new timeline could never cause anything to happen that would intersect with your previous timeline.

You can say what you want, but the discussion here is about what established scientific theories say (in principle).
 
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