Can we model fictitious forces using vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of fictitious forces, specifically centrifugal force, in the context of circular motion, such as a Ferris wheel or a spinning yo-yo. Participants are exploring the relationship between this fictitious force and the centripetal force acting towards the center of the circular path.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the vector representation of centrifugal force appears to oppose centripetal acceleration, questioning the neglect of the negative sign in the acceleration formula. Other participants suggest that centrifugal force may not be necessary when viewed from an inertial frame, raising questions about the applicability of Newton's laws in rotating reference frames.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion and seeking clarification on the nature of fictitious forces and their relevance in different frames of reference. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of forces in inertial versus non-inertial frames, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of rotating reference frames and the definitions of forces within those contexts. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in applying Newton's laws to such scenarios.

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Homework Statement



Let's say that you are on a Ferris Wheel or you are spinning a Yo-yo horizontally in a circle. There is a fictitous force known as centrifuge force that is pushing the car or yo-yo outwards.
However, the centripetal force that is keeping it in tact, is a vector pointing towards the center. We know that F [tex]\alpha[/tex] a, so even though centrifuge is a fictitious force, how come the "vector" of it is opposite to that of centripetal acceleration?

The Attempt at a Solution



I have been pondering this question for 3 days...

For the yoyo case, would to be just the tension?

T = [tex]\stackrel{mv²}{r}[/tex]

Also, I read a proof on how centripetal acceleration is derived, but why do we always neglect the negative sign in the formula a = [tex]\stackrel{-|v²|}{r}[/tex]
 
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Ignoring the rotation of the Earth itself you are an inertial observer when you look at a spinning yo-yo. There is no need to invoke a centrifugal force in this case. There is no centrifugal force in this case.

Centrifugal force are needed to force-fit Newton's laws to the domain of rotating reference frames (a domain in which Newton's laws do not truly apply).
 
D H said:
Ignoring the rotation of the Earth itself you are an inertial observer when you look at a spinning yo-yo. There is no need to invoke a centrifugal force in this case. There is no centrifugal force in this case.

Centrifugal force are needed to force-fit Newton's laws to the domain of rotating reference frames (a domain in which Newton's laws do not truly apply).

Ferris Wheel case?
 
So I still don't get it...
 

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