Can we twist the two ends of the wire together?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of using two 6 Gauge wires or two 22 Gauge wires twisted together as a substitute for a single 12 Gauge electrical wire. Participants explore the electrical properties, safety concerns, and compliance with building codes related to this substitution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that 6AWG wire is thicker than 12AWG wire and can carry the same current, suggesting no need to double-up wires.
  • Others emphasize the importance of checking local building codes, indicating that 12AWG is often the minimum size required for installations.
  • A participant mentions that paralleling conductors can theoretically meet capacity requirements but warns that differences in resistance can lead to uneven current distribution.
  • One participant questions the appropriateness of using American Wire Gauge (AWG) instead of SI units, suggesting a preference for standard measurements.
  • Another participant discusses the resistance characteristics of wire, explaining that the resistance doubles for every 3 AWG increment, raising questions about the necessary gauge to achieve equivalent resistance when paralleling wires.
  • A rule of thumb is provided, indicating that to replace AWG 12, one could use two AWG 15 or four AWG 18, or eight AWG 21, or ten AWG 22 wires.

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Participants express differing views on the safety and practicality of using twisted wires as a substitute for 12 Gauge wire. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of using different wire gauges.

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Some limitations include the potential confusion arising from the original question edits and the varying interpretations of wire gauge implications on resistance and current-carrying capacity.

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Hello,
We need 20 meters of 12 Gauge electrical wire but don't have 12 Gauge wire. Can we use two 6 Gauge wires and twist the two ends of the wire together? Is it harmful to electronic appliances? for example, air conditioners

[Mentor Note: original question restored; the OP will post a follow up with a correction in a later reply]

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Welcome to PF. :smile:

6AWG wire is thicker than 12AWG wire, so as long as you can deal with the extra size and stiffness, 6AWG wire will easily carry the current of 12AWG wire. No need to double-up anything.

You should always check your local building codes, but it's likely that 12AWG is listed as the minimum size for the wire for this installation. A lower AWG (bigger wire diameter) should generally be allowed as a more expensive alternative.
 
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Also, looking at your IP address (Mentors have that superpower), it's strange that you are specifying wire size in American Wire Gauge (AWG) instead if SI units...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60228
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to PF. :smile:

6AWG wire is thicker than 12AWG wire, so as long as you can deal with the extra size and stiffness, 6AWG wire will easily carry the current of 12AWG wire. No need to double-up anything.

You should always check your local building codes, but it's likely that 12AWG is listed as the minimum size for the wire for this installation. A lower AWG (bigger wire diameter) should generally be allowed as a more expensive alternative.
Excuse me. I edited my question.
 
berkeman said:
Also, looking at your IP address (Mentors have that superpower), it's strange that you are specifying wire size in American Wire Gauge (AWG) instead if SI units...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60228
Yes, because I guessed that the respondents live in Western countries.
 
As this thread will be discoverable by posterity, I feel compelled:
Paralleling conductors to meet capacity requirements is theoretically acceptable. In practice it should be done very carefully - any differences in net resistance will result in uneven current distribution across the multiple conductors. US NEC allows it, but only for relatively large conductors and with length/termination similarity requirements.
 
Shervan360 said:
Excuse me. I edited my question.
Please don't do that, it is very confusing for anyone trying to read the thread. I've restored your original question; please post a new reply with your clarification on the size of the wires you are asking about. Thank you.

Shervan360 said:
Hello,
We need 20 meters of 12 Gauge electrical wire but don't have 12 Gauge wire. Can we use two 6 Gauge wires and twist the two ends of the wire together? Is it harmful to electronic appliances? for example, air conditioners

[Mentor Note: original question restored; the OP will post a follow up with a correction in a later reply]
 
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Shervan360 said:
Hello,
We need 20 meters of 12 Gauge electrical wire but don't have 12 Gauge wire. Can we use two 6 Gauge wires and twist the two ends of the wire together? Is it harmful to electronic appliances? for example, air conditioners

[Mentor Note: original question restored; the OP will post a follow up with a correction in a later reply]

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Please see an edited version of my question:

We need 20 meters of 12 Gauge electrical wire but don't have 12 gauge wire. Can we use two 22 Gauge wires and twist the two ends of the wire together? Is it harmful to electronic appliances? for example, air conditioners
 
Shervan360 said:
We need 20 meters of 12 Gauge electrical wire but don't have 12 gauge wire. Can we use two 22 Gauge wires and twist the two ends of the wire together?
If you are trying to achieve the same resistance and current-carrying capability, no.

The resistance of wire is doubled for every 3 AWG increment (it's a log scale). So to get the same resistance as 12AWG by paralleling two wires, what would their AWG need to be?

https://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/AWG.phtml
 
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The Rule of Thumb is easy to remember. The resistance of the American Wire Gauge values approximately doubles every 3. So to replace AWG 12 you can use two AWG 15 or four AWG 18 or eight AWG 21 or ten AWG 22.

AWG 12 = ten AWG 22
0.00521 = 0.053 / 10 for parallel you divide R
[Ohm/m]
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(20 C,68 F)
 

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