Can you create neutronium by colliding electrons and protons?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of creating neutronium by colliding electrons and protons in a vacuum. Participants explore the conditions under which neutrons might be produced, the behavior of these neutrons, and the implications for neutronium as a substance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where an electron and a proton collide with equal momentum, suggesting that this could lead to the accumulation of neutrons at the collision point.
  • Another participant questions whether the resulting collection of neutrons would qualify as neutronium, asserting that most collisions would result in scattering rather than neutron production.
  • It is mentioned that if an electron interacts with a proton, it could produce a neutron and a neutrino, but this would lead to neutrons moving in various directions rather than accumulating.
  • A reference to classical physics is made, specifically mentioning Rutherford scattering, and the uncertainty principle is invoked to argue against the certainty of a head-on collision in quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood of producing neutronium through electron-proton collisions, with some asserting that it is unlikely to accumulate neutrons effectively, while others explore the theoretical possibility without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the precision of the particle accelerators and the nature of particle interactions, which may not fully account for the complexities of quantum mechanics and particle behavior.

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Suppose in a Vacuum with no external influences we have two particle accelerators pointed at each other. They're maximally precise and one fires an electron while another fires a proton. Both the electron and proton have the same amount of momentum such that their x-axis velocity completely cancels out, and because the colliders are so precise there is no y or z component velocities either. Relative to the colliders the resulting neutrons have no velocity at all. The timing of firing an electron and proton is perfect as well so the collisions all take place in the same location.

Would you start accumulating neutrons at the collision point and therefore produce neutronium? Because the decay rate is 15 minutes for the neutrons, would you be able to accumulate a large number of neutrons assuming you're firing a lot of electrons and protons?

Would this collection of neutrons be neutronium and how would it behave? What happens to the mass as you start accumulating more neutrons? When would it become a stable mass that would not decay?
 
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Not that wiki is a valid reference source for PF, but it might provide a simple primer for more nuanced questions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutronium
esp. the sections on isotopes and properties of neutronium
Did not know about dineutron and trineutron...
 
arusse02 said:
Would this collection of neutrons be neutronium
No.

Most of the time the electron will merely scatter.

If the electron interacts, it will make a neutron and a neutrino, so the neutrons will be bouncing around in all sorts of directions.
 
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@arusse02 in the case of classical physics check out Rutherford scattering. For the quantum mechanical case, the uncertainty principle prevents the certainty of a head-on collision.
 

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