Can you explain the composition of carbonate?

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The discussion centers on the composition and charge of the carbonate ion (CO3^2-). Carbonate consists of one carbon atom and three oxygen atoms, and it carries a -2 charge due to having two extra electrons. The participants clarify that while the individual atoms are neutral, the overall ion has a charge because of the additional electrons associated with the resonance structures of the ion. The charge is not due to monoatomic ions but rather the arrangement and sharing of electrons among the atoms in the carbonate structure.There is a debate about whether monoatomic ions are involved in the formation of carbonate, with most participants agreeing that they are not. Instead, the charge arises from the bonding and electron sharing within the carbonate ion. The conversation also touches on how carbonate forms in nature, primarily through the reaction of carbon dioxide with water to create carbonic acid, which can dissociate into bicarbonate and carbonate ions.The discussion highlights confusion around concepts like ionic versus covalent bonding and the nature of polyatomic ions.
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scott_alexsk said:
I would appreciate someone responding who actually knows what he or she is talking about. To reitterate, my question is "How can there be a charge
if there is a equal number of protons and electrons, in a polyatomic ion?"
-Scott:mad:
To think that the people who have responded don't know what they are talking about is just wrong, some a quite knowledgeable (and it is best not to push people away that are trying to help).

As LordOfBaal said,
You must see that the atoms can't be both charged and neutral at the same time. The carbonate ion is charged due to it having 2 extra electrons - no amount of double bond moving will remove this charge.
This is inline with your book, saying that the Hydroxide ion (and more specifically, the Oxygen side of the Hydroxide) picked up an extra electron.
When the extra electron is picked up (or lost), the number of protons and electrons are not equal, and there is an imbalance in the charge. In Hydroxide's case, there is a -1 charge.
 
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Sorry about that. You guys explained it. Its just that when I have looked at the diagrams that model polyatomic ions before, I couldn't tell the number of electrons in the model, because for extra electrons would be marked with a 'X'. I didn't know this counted as an electron. Just to let you know, your explanations always made sense, but I thought that there was more information I was not getting.
Thanks and sorry,
-Scott
 

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