Can You Help Me Understand Molecular Dipole Moments?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding molecular dipole moments, including their definition, calculation, and comparison between different molecules. Participants engage with specific examples and problems related to dipole moments, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that a dipole moment arises from differences in electronegativity between bonded atoms, leading to partial positive and negative charges.
  • One participant notes that the molecular geometry affects the dipole moment, specifically mentioning that SO3 has a planar triangular structure which results in a net dipole moment of zero due to cancellation of individual dipoles.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of intermolecular forces, listing hydrogen bonding, dipole moments, and London forces in order of strength, although this connection is contested by others.
  • There is a suggestion that calculating the net dipole moment involves vector addition of individual bond dipoles, with references to using the parallelogram law and hybridization.
  • One participant seeks information on transition dipole moments in specific quinone molecules, indicating a broader interest in molecular dipole moments beyond the initial problem set.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of drawing Lewis structures to understand molecular polarity and dipole moments better.
  • There is a debate over the polarity of specific molecules, with claims that SO2 is non-polar and SO3 is polar, which remains unresolved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between dipole moments and intermolecular forces, and there is no consensus on the polarity of certain molecules like SO2 and SO3. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives and remains unresolved on several points.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about molecular geometry and electronegativity values, which are not universally agreed upon. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the calculation of dipole moments and their implications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying molecular chemistry, particularly those grappling with concepts of dipole moments, molecular geometry, and intermolecular forces.

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Molecular dipole moment?

What is a Molecular Dipole moment. My book explains it but i still don't get it. And here is a problem that ask me about it.

Which molecule in each pair has the greater dipole moment
a. SO2 or SO3
b. ICl or IF
c. SiF4 or SF4
d. H2O or H2S

Give the reason for your choice.

You only have to do one or two. After that ill get the point.

Thanks
 
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A dipole moment is created when there is a difference in electronegativity between the bonded atoms. Thus, electrons from one atom is attracted closer to the other causing one atom to become \delta+ and the other \delta-. Hope this helps.
 
u should know the electronegative value and the shape/structure of the compound

for eg in SO3 u have planar triangular structure with angle 1200 so the dipoles which are vector quantity gets canceled and u have dipole moment=0

The direction of dipole moment is from + to - direction
 
Intermolecular Force.

These are in order of strongest weakest, and the H bonding is only 5% as stong as an acutal bond.

1. Hydrogen Bonding (water molecules)
2. Dipole Moment (polar molecules)
3. London Forces (extremely week but interesting)

Nautica
 
Man..what has Hydrogen Bonding to do with dipole?

See Dipole moment is donated by ::: u

And u can claculate net ""U"" of a compound by taking resultant of different u's of different bonds...

Like in SO3...calculate net "u" of SO SO SO ...as three O are bonded to single S... use parallelogram law vector method if u know the angle between the bonds...by knowing type of hybridization.
 
Originally posted by Dr.Brain
Man..what has Hydrogen Bonding to do with dipole?

Has everything to do with it. They are both intermolecular forces which dictate melting points, boiling points, ect... I just figured you would like to know what they would be compared to, but I guess I was wrong.

Nautica
 
Hi folk
May be anybody knows where I can found information (research articles) about transition dipole moments in quinone like molecules, especially in benzoquinone, phylloquinone , menaquinone. Someone told that these study already done, but I found nothing in search engines.

JPJ
 
Hi JPJ, did you try: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed it is where all the published peer-reviewed articles get collected.. usually they are biology oriented so it might not be found there though.. :S

Um.. otherwise I wouldn't know from the top of my head..
 
Rajvirnijjar said:
What is a Molecular Dipole moment. My book explains it but i still don't get it. And here is a problem that ask me about it.

Which molecule in each pair has the greater dipole moment
a. SO2 or SO3
b. ICl or IF
c. SiF4 or SF4
d. H2O or H2S

Give the reason for your choice.

You only have to do one or two. After that ill get the point.

Thanks
If you have to draw out the Lewis structures for each of them, it will help you see it better at first, and then its all about the electronegativity.

Sorry this is a question of pure laziness but is SO2 linear bent, i just thought that that was the only way the problem would work since the SO3 has a zero dipole moment.
 
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Yeah, SO2 is linear bent, because of the lone pair.
 
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1. Hydrogen Bonding (water molecules)
2. Dipole Moment (polar molecules)
3. London Forces (extremely week but interesting)

Hydrogen bonding occurs in any molecule that has Hydrogen bonded with F, O, Cl and S too i belive.

A hydrogen bond can be thought of as a "super dipole" as it is just that; a dipole high strength dipole bond

In order to answer your question you must draw the lewis structures for all the atoms.

a) SO2 (it is non polar so contains dipole. the SO3 is polar)

b) IF (the attraction between I and F is stronger than I and Cl)

c) SF4 (again by drawing the lewis structures you can determine that SF4 is polar and SiF4 is not)

d) H20 (stronger dipole moment)
 

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