Can you help to solve this integral? (resin viscosity research)

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The discussion centers around the integral $$\int{\frac{1}{a\cdot e^{bx}+c\cdot e^{kx}}dx$$, which is related to modeling the viscosity development of resin. Participants explore the nature of the integral, its antiderivative, and potential methods for solving it, emphasizing that this is not a homework exercise.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the clarity of the original integral, noting that it lacks defined variables and values.
  • One participant suggests that the integral may have a known antiderivative and proposes a substitution method that could lead to an expression involving Beta functions.
  • Another participant provides a specific form of the integral's solution using the Hypergeometric function, indicating that additional domain information might be necessary for simplification.
  • There are repeated clarifications regarding the nature of the integral versus an equation, with some participants emphasizing the need for a proper mathematical context.
  • One participant expresses interest in exploring the proposed substitution and its implications for the integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the integral's solution or its properties. Multiple competing views and methods for addressing the integral are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of the variables involved in the integral, and the discussion highlights the dependence on specific assumptions that have not been fully articulated.

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I have tried WolfarmAlpha but it could help me. Please note this is not a homework exercise. I am a researcher and I am looking to model viscosity development of resin. there I came across with this express :)
I have tried WolfarmAlpha but it could help me. Please note this is not a homework exercise. I am a researcher and I am looking to model viscosity development of resin. there I came across with this express :)

$$\int{\frac{1}{a\cdot e^{bx}+c\cdot e^{kx}}dx}$$
 
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What's to solve? That's just an equation. No variables are defined. No values to input.
 
Is the question "does this have a known antiderivative"?

Substituting t = (c/a)e^{(k-b)x} for k \neq b leads to <br /> \int \frac{1}{ae^{bx} + ce^{kx}}\,dx =<br /> \frac{1}{a(k-b)}\left(\frac{a}{c}\right)^{b/(b-k)}\int \frac{t^{b/(b-k) - 1}}{1 + t}\,dt which depending on the limits might be expressible in terms of complete or incomplete Beta functions with parameters b/(b-k) and -k/(b-k).
 
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DaveC426913 said:
What's to solve? That's just an equation. No variables are defined. No values to input.
The integral that the OP wrote is NOT an equation -- an equation states the equality of two or more expressions, where the expressions are separated by '=' symbols.
 
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mowata said:
I have tried WolfarmAlpha but it could help me. Please note this is not a homework exercise. I am a researcher and I am looking to model viscosity development of resin. there I came across with this express :) $$\int{\frac{1}{a\cdot e^{bx}+c\cdot e^{kx}}dx}$$
It would be helpful if you told us where you found this integral.
 
Mark44 said:
The integral that the OP wrote is NOT an equation -- an equation states the equality of two or more expressions, where the expressions are separated by '=' symbols.
Yeah. In its first iteration, the tex wasn't even rendering, so I was winging it.
 
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Without any additional information about the variables, the integral is

-Hypergeometric2F1[1,-k/(b-k),(b-2*k)/(b-k),-(a*E^((b-k)*x))/c]/(c*E^(k*x)*k)

and I don't find any simplifications for that, additional domain info might or might not help.

Integrating from 0 to t gives

(E^(k*t)*Hypergeometric2F1[1,-k/(b-k),2+b/(-b+k),-a/c]-
Hypergeometric2F1[1,-k/(b-k),2+b/(-b+k),-(a*E^((b-k)*t))/c])/(c*E^(k*t)*k)

https://reference.wolfram.com/language/ref/Hypergeometric2F1.html
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Yeah. In its first iteration, the tex wasn't even rendering, so I was winging it.
its just an integral, I need solution of the integral mean its antiderivative if possible. Some how tex is not rendering that's why it seems strange, the expression for the integral is dx/(a.e^(bx)+c.e^(kx)), where a, b, c and k are constants, x is the variable which is basically time, the limits of the integral goes from 0 to t.
 
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pasmith said:
Is the question "does this have a known antiderivative"?

Substituting t = (c/a)e^{(k-b)x} for k \neq b leads to <br /> \int \frac{1}{ae^{bx} + ce^{kx}}\,dx =<br /> \frac{1}{a(k-b)}\left(\frac{a}{c}\right)^{b/(b-k)}\int \frac{t^{b/(b-k) - 1}}{1 + t}\,dt which depending on the limits might be expressible in terms of complete or incomplete Beta functions with parameters b/(b-k) and -k/(b-k).
This is interesting, Let me go through this first. Thanks a lot.
 

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