Equality of two particular solutions of 2nd order linear ODE

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The discussion revolves around the equality of two particular solutions derived from a second-order linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form $$(D-a)(D-b)y = g(x)$$. Participants explore the implications of operating with inverse operators in different orders and whether the resulting integrals yield the same solutions for arbitrary functions g(x).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two integrals obtained by applying inverse operators in different orders and expresses a belief that these integrals should be equal, seeking proof or disproof.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of evaluating the integrals for an arbitrary function g(x).
  • A different participant shares that they found the integrals to be equal for specific functions like sin(kx), cos(kx), and exp(kx), but struggles with proving equality for g(x) = x^n, suggesting the possibility of luck in their findings.
  • Several participants assert that for twice differentiable functions y(x), the expressions obtained from the operators are equal, indicating that any particular solution of one form is also a solution of the other.
  • Some participants discuss whether the order of inverse operators affects the solutions, noting that their examples yielded the same results regardless of the order.
  • One participant references a general rule of function composition to support their argument about the equality of solutions when the operators commute.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether the integrals are equal for arbitrary functions g(x). While some participants agree on the equality for specific cases and under certain conditions, others express uncertainty about the generality of these results.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in proving equality for arbitrary functions and the dependence on the specific forms of g(x) used in examples. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the properties of the operators involved.

Harsh Bhardwaj
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I got the following two integral for the a particular solution of a 2nd order linear ODE $$(D-a)(D-b)y = g(x)$$
by using inverse operators ##\frac{1}{D-a}## and ##\frac{1}{D-b}##. The two different integrals are obtained by operating these operators in different order on y to get a particular solution. It's my hunch that these integrals should be equal however I don't know how to prove it. I tried plugging in some exponential, trigonometric and power functions for g(x) and setting a and b. Both the integrals gave the exact same result(All arbitrary constants were dropped as I seek a particular solution).

$$y = e^{bx}\int e^{-bx}e^{ax}(\int e^{-ax}g(x)dx)dx$$
$$y = e^{ax}\int e^{-ax}e^{bx}(\int e^{-bx}g(x)dx)dx$$

I tried using integration by parts in different combinations and failed to prove the two integrals to be equal. Maybe the Leibniz's integral rule can be used to pull out the exponentials but I am not sure if and how it can be used for indefinite integrals.
Help me prove(or disprove) the equality of these two integrals. Thank you.
 
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I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the integrals for an arbitrary function g(x).
 
Mark44 said:
I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the integrals for an arbitrary function g(x).
I tried with some particular g(x). It was easy to prove that the two integrals are equal for g(x) = sin(kx), cos(kx) and exp(kx). I tried with g(x) = x^n but couldn't prove it(used reduction formulae and principle of induction). But all the examples I take by fixing n give the same result. Maybe I am just being lucky. It would be very helpful if someone can point out a counter example for g(x) such that the integrals are not equal and there will be no need for the proof.
 
If ##y(x)## is a twice differentiable function on an open interval ##I##, then we easily obtain (on ##I##): ##(D-a)(D-b)y(x)=D^2y(x)-(a+b)\,Dy(x)+ab\,y(x)##, and likewise that ##(D-b)(D-a)y(x)=D^2y(x)-(a+b)\,Dy(x)+ab\,y(x)##, so these are equal for all twice differentiable functions ##y(x)## on ##I##.
Therefore, any particular solution of ##(D-a)(D-b)y(x)=g(x)## on ##I## is also a particular solution of ##(D-b)(D-a)y(x)=g(x)##, and vice versa.
 
Erland said:
If ##y(x)## is a twice differentiable function on an open interval ##I##, then we easily obtain (on ##I##): ##(D-a)(D-b)y(x)=D^2y(x)-(a+b)\,Dy(x)+ab\,y(x)##, and likewise that ##(D-b)(D-a)y(x)=D^2y(x)-(a+b)\,Dy(x)+ab\,y(x)##, so these are equal for all twice differentiable functions ##y(x)## on ##I##.
Therefore, any particular solution of ##(D-a)(D-b)y(x)=g(x)## on ##I## is also a particular solution of ##(D-b)(D-a)y(x)=g(x)##, and vice versa.

These integrals give particular solution of y.I was wondering whether these solutions are the exact same functions. It is easy to see that the order of differentiation operators does not matter but is the same true for inverse operators? I did quite a few examples and the changing the order of inverse operators gave the exact same particular solution. My question is that is this true in general?
 
Harsh Bhardwaj said:
These integrals give particular solution of y.I was wondering whether these solutions are the exact same functions. It is easy to see that the order of differentiation operators does not matter but is the same true for inverse operators? I did quite a few examples and the changing the order of inverse operators gave the exact same particular solution. My question is that is this true in general?
Since the "inverse operator" gives the general solution, and the general solution is just the set of particular solutions, given parametrically (with two integration constants), and since the sets of particular solutions are the same in both cases, the answer is: Yes, we get the same set of solutuions in both cases.
 
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Harsh Bhardwaj said:
These integrals give particular solution of y.I was wondering whether these solutions are the exact same functions. It is easy to see that the order of differentiation operators does not matter but is the same true for inverse operators? I did quite a few examples and the changing the order of inverse operators gave the exact same particular solution. My question is that is this true in general?

General rule of function composition: (AB)^{-1} = B^{-1}A^{-1}. Thus if AB = BA then B^{-1}A^{-1} = (AB)^{-1} = (BA)^{-1} = A^{-1}B^{-1} as required.
 

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