Can You Represent a Vector as a Linear Combination in Multiple Ways?

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The discussion revolves around expressing a vector as a linear combination of other vectors in the context of linear algebra. The original poster is attempting to understand how to represent the vector v = (1,-2,5) using the vectors u = (1,1,1), v = (1,2,3), and w = (2,-1,1), and is exploring different formulations of this representation.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion regarding the representation of vectors as linear combinations and questions the validity of different formulations. Some participants suggest that the choice of variable names for coefficients does not affect the representation, while others explore alternative formulations of the linear combination.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the role of variable names in linear combinations and exploring different ways to express the same vector. There is an acknowledgment that the choice of coefficients can be arbitrary, and some productive clarification has been provided regarding the representation of vectors.

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The original poster expresses a lack of understanding of the reasoning behind the chosen method of representation and the implications of transposing vectors. This indicates a need for further exploration of foundational concepts in linear algebra.

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Suppose we want to express the vector v = (1,-2,5) as a linear combination of the vectors
u = (1,1,1)
v = (1,2,3)
w = (2,-1,1)

We follow the method here:

[itex]x \ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 1 \end{bmatrix} \ + \ y \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 2 \\ <br /> 3 \end{bmatrix} \ + \ z \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 2 \\ <br /> - 1 \\ <br /> 1 \end{bmatrix} \ = \ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> -2 \\ <br /> 5 \end{bmatrix} \ =\ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> x \\ <br /> x \\ <br /> x \end{bmatrix} \ + \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> y \\ <br /> 2y \\ <br /> 3y \end{bmatrix} \ + \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 2z \\ <br /> - z \\ <br /> z \end{bmatrix} \ = \ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> -2 \\ <br /> 5 \end{bmatrix}[/itex]

and continue, but I don't understand this fully.

The way I understand a 3-tuple is that (1,2,3) is
1 in the x axis, 2 in the y-axis & 3 in the z-axis.
I can't help but return to thinking this way & wanting
to write

u = (1,1,1)
v = (1,2,3)
w = (2,-1,1)

as
[itex] x \ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 2 \end{bmatrix} \ + \ y \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 2 \\ <br /> -1 \end{bmatrix} \ + \ z \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> 3 \\ <br /> 1 \end{bmatrix} \ = \ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> -2 \\ <br /> 5 \end{bmatrix} \ =\ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> x \\ <br /> x \\ <br /> 2x \end{bmatrix} \ + \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> y \\ <br /> 2y \\ <br /> - y \end{bmatrix} \ + \ <br /> \begin{bmatrix} <br /> z \\ <br /> 3z \\ <br /> z \end{bmatrix} \ = \ \begin{bmatrix} <br /> 1 \\ <br /> -2 \\ <br /> 5 \end{bmatrix}[/itex]

Needless to say it's because I don't understand the reason why we do it
one way and not the other, I mean it doesn't make sense because in my
underdeveloped and confused understanding of linear algebra we can
transpose the vector and switch between the two ways I've done the
matrices here & none of it makes sense.
It would help a lot if anyone could clear this up with a good
explanation! :smile:
 
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You are being confused by the fact that [tex]x, y, z[/tex] are the variable names chosen for the coefficients of the linear combination, that's all. There is no connection between the coefficients of the linear combination and the axes. Call the coefficients [tex]A, B, C[/tex] instead if it makes you feel better.
 
Okay yeah that makes sense, so I can write:

au + bv + cw = a(1,1,1) + b(1,2,3,) + c(2,-1,1) =
(a + b + 2c, a + 2b - c, a + 3b + c) = (1,-2,5)
and then write it in matrix form.

Also, bu + cv + aw = b(1,1,1) + c(1,2,3,) + a(2,-1,1) =
(b + c + 2a, b + 2c - a, b + 3c + a)
is alright, right? :smile:
 
Right. Letters are only letters.
 

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