Can you solve the volume of a cube with unequal heights?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a cube-like shape with unequal heights and a square base. Participants explore various methods and formulas to address the challenge, which is related to a project in plant ecology involving light and shadow mapping of irregular objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a shape with a square base and four trapezoidal sides, each with different heights, and seeks a formula for its volume based on given surface areas.
  • Another participant questions whether the problem is homework and suggests that the original poster should attempt it first.
  • A participant points out a potential inconsistency in the problem statement regarding the heights of the shape.
  • Several participants propose slicing the volume into thin sections to calculate the total volume based on average heights.
  • One participant suggests a formula involving the heights of the corners and the base area, but another expresses skepticism about its validity.
  • Another participant offers a step-by-step method for calculating the volume if the top surface is assumed to be a plane, involving the shortest and tallest heights.
  • Further simplifications are proposed, including stacking identical boxes to find the volume more easily.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the elegant solutions presented by other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of proposed formulas and methods for calculating the volume. There is no consensus on a single approach, and some participants challenge the correctness of others' contributions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the calculations may become complex depending on whether the top points of the shape are in the same plane or not, indicating unresolved assumptions about the geometry of the shape.

  • #61


ThunderSkunk said:
I am trying to map the the volume of space shaded by irregular objects with a light source coming from a given angle...
I am not able to understand this fully , Can i have more information and example on this ?
 
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  • #62


vrmuth said:
I am not able to understand this fully , Can i have more information and example on this ?

I have to agree, this is VERY odd wording. I think everyone got interested in solving the immediate problem of finding the volume of the enclosed figure he drew and no one commented on this part of it.

I too do not get how you "map a volume of space" in this regard or why it would be meaningful to do so.
 
  • #63


phinds said:
I have to agree, this is VERY odd wording. I think everyone got interested in solving the immediate problem of finding the volume of the enclosed figure he drew and no one commented on this part of it.

I too do not get how you "map a volume of space" in this regard or why it would be meaningful to do so.

Well, if we take it literally, it is simply the entire volume that is in the shadow of an object lit by a single light source.
 
  • #64


Yeah, that makes sense, but what could be the point? I was primarliy confused because I somehow go it in my head that he had said that the light shines UP, so I was (clearly incorrectly) envisioning an infinitely expanding cone out into space with a rectangular (or trapazoidal) cross section.

I could see it making sense if he was looking for the AREA on the ground that is covered by the shadow, but the VOLUME ?
 
  • #65


phinds said:
Yeah, that makes sense, but what could be the point? I was primarliy confused because I somehow go it in my head that he had said that the light shines UP, so I was (clearly incorrectly) envisioning an infinitely expanding cone out into space with a rectangular (or trapazoidal) cross section.

I could see it making sense if he was looking for the AREA on the ground that is covered by the shadow, but the VOLUME ?

I don't know why he wants this. Perhaps he is studying architecture of large buildings on nearby greenhouses. As his OP says:

I am trying to map the the volume of space shaded by irregular objects with a light source coming from a given angle (so I can ask an interesting sunlight competition question for my undergraduate senior project in plant ecology).
 
  • #66


DaveC426913 said:
I thought we'd settled this. We are given the height of the four corners, in order. The OP has base and all sides already built, so he knows what they are.
No Dave, the op doesn't know the heights , he is giving us only the surface areas.And moreover, while the volume is not uniquely determined by the surface area and his objective is to find volume , i don't know why he is going for surface area,what's his difficulties in measuring the heights.He might have satisfied by your formula for the trivial case but his problem still gives lots of other interesting ideas.For eg. even if he gives surface areas there exist infinite set of values for h's and that too under a condition if A1+A3=A2+A4 similar to h1+h3=h2+h4, otherwise no solution at all (isn't it interesting ? :smile:)
ThunderSkunk said:
if you are given the surface area of all sides, including the base, except for its top?...field measurements could yield an average volume that would be represented by a shape similar to the one I've described (because I believe I've already figured out a way to find the area of all the sides and the base).
 
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  • #67


vrmuth said:
No Dave, the op doesn't know the heights , he is giving us only the surface areas.
I did not get that impression from the OP's message. Though I grant that yours may be a valid interpretation.
 
  • #68


vrmuth said:
... op doesn't know the heights , he is giving us only the surface areas.
can anyone give "A" [= B(h+h')/2] without knowing "h',h" ?
 

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