Can You Solve These Tricky 2D Integrals on a Unit Circle?

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The discussion revolves around the computation of a complex integral involving arccosine functions over a unit circle. Participants explore various approaches to evaluate the integral, which is complicated by a singularity at a specific point. The context includes theoretical exploration and potential applications in gravitational force comparisons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral involving arccos and expresses difficulty in computing it, noting dramatic value changes around certain parameters.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the integral's representation due to formatting issues in LaTeX.
  • A later post attempts to clarify the integral's form and suggests a specific transformation to polar coordinates.
  • Some participants propose that the integral may relate to gravitational forces, comparing it to a disk's mass density derived from an isothermal sphere.
  • One participant suggests calculating a simplified version of the integral, speculating it might equal pi squared, but expresses uncertainty.
  • Another participant recommends a Weierstrass substitution as a potential method for simplification.
  • However, a different participant argues that such substitutions may not be applicable and emphasizes the need for a numerical solution instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the integral's formulation and potential methods for evaluation. There is no consensus on the best approach or the validity of the proposed methods, indicating ongoing disagreement and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with the clarity of the integral's representation and the presence of a singularity, which complicates the evaluation process. The discussion reflects various assumptions about the mathematical properties of the functions involved.

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I can't compute the integral:
[tex]\int \frac{\arccos(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\frac{x-a}/{(\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2})^3 dxdy[/tex]
on an unit circle: r < 1.

for const: a = 0.01, 0.02, ect. up to 1 or 2.

I used a polar coordinates, but the values jump dramatically in some places (around the 'a' values), despite the function is quite smooth.

My intention is mainly this solution of a problem:
in this integral sits a singularity at a point (a, 0), and I'm looking for the effective method to eliminate it.

Greetings for everybody.
 
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presto said:
I can't compute the integral:
[tex]\int \frac{\arccos(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\frac{x-a}/{(\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2})^3 dxdy[/tex]
on an unit circle: r < 1.
I can't even tell what you're trying to integrate. Your LaTeX is pretty mangled.
presto said:
for const: a = 0.01, 0.02, ect. up to 1 or 2.

I used a polar coordinates, but the values jump dramatically in some places (around the 'a' values), despite the function is quite smooth.

My intention is mainly this solution of a problem:
in this integral sits a singularity at a point (a, 0), and I'm looking for the effective method to eliminate it.

Greetings for everybody.
 
[tex]\int \frac{\arccos(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\frac{x-a}/{(\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2})^3 dxdy[/tex]
on an unit circle: r < 1.

for const: a = 0.01, 0.02, ect. up to 1 or 2.I don't konow what you latex use in the forum...
 
[itex]\int \frac{\arccos(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\frac{x-a}{(\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2})}^3 dxdy=\int_0^1 \int_0^{2\pi} \arccos(r)\frac{r\cos(f)-a}{(\sqrt{r^2-2ar\cos(f)+a^2)}^3} df dr[/itex]
 
presto said:
[itex]\int \frac{\arccos(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\frac{x-a}{(\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2})}^3 dxdy=\int_0^1 \int_0^{2\pi} \arccos(r)\frac{r\cos(f)-a}{(\sqrt{r^2-2ar\cos(f)+a^2)}^3} df dr[/itex]
How did this integral come up? The reason I'm asking is that if this is an integral you wrote as part of another problem, it could be that your derivation is wrong.
 
This is just a gravitational force of a disk with a mass density: rho(t) = 2arccos(r)/r.

I want to compare a gravity force of an isothermal sphere (density 1/r^2) to a disk, which we get by compressing the sphere to the plane.
 
Maybe even could to calculate a simplified variant of the integral.

[itex]\int_0^1 \int_0^{2\pi} \arccos(r)\frac{r\cos(f)-1}{(\sqrt{r^2-2r\cos(f)+1})^3} df dr[/itex]

I think that's equal to pi^2, but not sure.
 
Maybe try a Weierstrass substitution?
##u = \tan (\frac f 2), \cos f = \frac {1-u^2}{1+u^2},\frac {\mathrm df}{\mathrm du} = \frac {2}{1 + u^2}##
 
No, any such substitutions don't work here... I ask about a numerical solution of this integral.
 
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@presto: Can you post the exact problem which led you to the above integral?
 
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I told that already:

I want to compare a gravity force of an isothermal sphere (density 1/r^2) to a disk, which we get by compressing the sphere to the plane.

Therefore the disk mass density is just: rho(r) = 2arccosr/r, so a force at a point (a,0):

[itex]dg = dm/d^2 cos(d,r) = \rho dS/d^2 \cos(d, r);\ where:\ cos(d,r) = (x-a)/d;\ and\ d^2 = (x-a)^2 + y^2; r^2 = x^2+y^2[/itex]
...
 

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