Integrating Over Multiple Variables: Is This Approach Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a double integral involving exponential functions and multiple variable substitutions. Participants explore the process of integrating out variables x and y to express the result as a function of the angle θ, while addressing the implications of changing variables and setting limits of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral and describes their method of variable substitution to simplify the integration process.
  • Another participant agrees with the method but emphasizes the importance of carefully considering the limits of integration with each change of variable.
  • Concerns are raised about determining the minimum and maximum values of the new variable r based on the ranges of u and v, with specific conditions noted for the limits.
  • A participant mentions an issue with imaginary coefficients in their integration by parts, indicating a potential oversight in their calculations.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correction regarding the dropped factor of i in the integration process.
  • A later post introduces a transformation involving polar coordinates, suggesting a different approach to the integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the integration method but express differing views on the specifics of setting limits and the implications of variable transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to handle the limits of integration.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the signs of constants and the domain of θ when determining limits, indicating that the integration process may depend on specific cases and assumptions.

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I have come across the following integral in my PhD research.

[tex]\int_{-L_y/2}^{L_y/2}\int_{-L_x/2}^{L_x/2}e^{2 i k \sqrt{(d \cos\theta + x)^2+(d \sin\theta + y)^2}}dxdy[/tex]

Ultimately, x and y are integrated out and I will be left with a function of ##\theta##. I am doing this the following way. First I make the following substitutions.

##u=d\cos\theta+x \rightarrow du=dx ##
## v=d\sin\theta+y \rightarrow dv=dy ##

So then I get,
[tex]\int \int e^{2 i k \sqrt{u^2+v^2}}dudv.[/tex]

But then I can make yet another variable substitution by letting,

## r= \sqrt{u^2+v^2} \rightarrow dudv=rdr. ##

Which gives me,

[tex]\int e^{2 i k r}r dr[/tex]

I can easily integrate this by parts, and (assuming I did all my steps correctly) I get the following.

[tex]\frac{1}{2k}e^{2 i k r}\left[ \frac{1}{2k}-r \right][/tex]

Now here is where it gets tricky for me

I now need to back substitute for ##r## to get it in terms of my original variables ##x## and ##y##. When it comes to evaluating the limits, can I just use the expression I got (after substituting back) and first evaluate for ##x## and then for ##y##?

Or perhaps I can just leave r in and just use the min and max values of u and v to write the limits of r?

##r_{min}=\sqrt{(d\cos\theta - L_x/2)^2+(d\sin\theta-L_y/2)^2}##
##r_{max}=\sqrt{(d\cos\theta + L_x/2)^2+(d\sin\theta+L_y/2)^2}##
 
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Your method looks good. I didn't check the integration by parts, but I don't doubt that it is correct.
However, when you go to put the limits of integration, it is best to consider the limits with each change of variable.
## u = d\cos\theta + x## so your limits on ##u## are simply ## d\cos\theta-L_x/2 , d\cos\theta+L_x/2 ## similarly for ##v##.
When you change to ##r##, you have to look at the actual minimum value of the variable over the range of u and v.
If ##L_x/2 > d\cos \theta \text{ and } L_y/2 > d\sin \theta## then your minimum will be 0. Consider various other cases.
Your maximum will be at ##d \cos \theta + (sign [d\cos\theta]) L_x/2## and similarly for the y component.
Know the signs of your constants and the domain of theta to make this process simpler.
 
Xyius said:
Which gives me,
## \int e^{2ikr} r dr##
Xyius said:
I can easily integrate this by parts, and (assuming I did all my steps correctly) I get the following.
## \frac{1}{2k}e^{2 i k r}\left[ \frac{1}{2k}-r \right]##When I checked the integration by parts, I still had some imaginary coefficients, like ##\frac{1}{2ik}##.
 
Thank you for your response! That makes perfect sense. I will go through it and see if it is straight forward or not.

Also yes you are correct, I accidentally dropped a factor of ##i##.
 
$$ dx\,dy = r\,dr\,d\phi $$
 

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