Can you trap light indefinitely?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of trapping light indefinitely within a container, exploring theoretical and practical constraints, as well as various methods and implications of light confinement. Participants address both the feasibility of such an endeavor and the scientific principles involved, including reflections, absorption, and the behavior of light in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of trapping light indefinitely, suggesting that while light can be bounced off mirrors, practical constraints such as imperfect reflectivity and absorption would prevent it from being contained.
  • Another participant mentions that while no mirror is perfectly reflective, certain optical resonators can trap light for a limited time, although energy loss will eventually occur.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of total internal reflection as a method to confine light, particularly in optical fibers, which can achieve low loss rates.
  • There is a mention of recent research claiming the ability to stop and later release pulses of light, though this is noted to be a complex process rather than a simple containment.
  • One participant clarifies that the dimming of light from distant stars is not related to a "shelf-life," but rather due to distribution over vast distances and redshift effects.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that light can be "trapped" in photographs or on frozen water, though this is challenged as not being a true trapping of light.
  • Discussions also touch on the idea of light being trapped in orbits around massive objects, though these orbits are described as unstable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of trapping light indefinitely. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the methods and limitations of light confinement, with some suggesting practical impossibilities while others highlight recent advancements in the field.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations such as the lack of perfect mirrors, the dependence on specific conditions for total internal reflection, and the unresolved nature of certain experimental techniques for trapping light.

  • #31
If you heat a box to red hot then open a hole and shine red light in from a red lamp. Then close that hole and open another hole red light will come out. I don't know how to make sure it is the light that you shine in though.
 
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  • #32
Grace-low said:
If you heat a box to red hot then open a hole and shine red light in from a red lamp. Then close that hole and open another hole red light will come out. I don't know how to make sure it is the light that you shine in though.

It will not be the same light. The speed of light is so quick that all of the red light you shone inside will be absorbed well before you can even close the first hole.
 
  • #33
If you had a sphere made of a material that took in light but didn't let it escape the sphere would the sphere heat up indefinitely? Resulting in infinite heat leading to infinite energy.
 
  • #34
Braincol said:
If you had a sphere made of a material that took in light but didn't let it escape the sphere would the sphere heat up indefinitely? Resulting in infinite heat leading to infinite energy.
No.

The light is converted to heat. And it's limited to however much you put in.
 
  • #35
Braincol said:
If you had a sphere made of a material that took in light but didn't let it escape the sphere would the sphere heat up indefinitely? Resulting in infinite heat leading to infinite energy.

you also have to define your definition of "light" in your example
do you mean visible light ?

Any visible light absorbed by the sphere will heat it up, but that heat will be dissipated by some or all of the following ...
conduction, convection or E/M radiation ... IR ( infra-red) at lower frequencies (wavelengths)Dave
 
  • #36
It is possible, but not as simple as trapping light with mirrors. First a box would never do, you need a sphere, Mirrors will never work, so we use energy to deflect the light, One could image it looking like a 3d David’s star, additionally the capsule or sphere in this case would have to be a bit more than a ball of mirrors, it would have to be surrounded by other elements and materials that protect the inner space of the sphere making it absolute neutral to all things, including radio, radiation, and air. capturing light would cause the sphere to reach extreme Temperatures, light can be captured indefinitely. It’s a pretty high tech thing :)
 
  • #37
Pep said:
It is possible, but not as simple as trapping light with mirrors. First a box would never do, you need a sphere, Mirrors will never work, so we use energy to deflect the light, One could image it looking like a 3d David’s star, additionally the capsule or sphere in this case would have to be a bit more than a ball of mirrors, it would have to be surrounded by other elements and materials that protect the inner space of the sphere making it absolute neutral to all things, including radio, radiation, and air. capturing light would cause the sphere to reach extreme Temperatures, light can be captured indefinitely. It’s a pretty high tech thing :)
Not true. There is currently no way to trap light indefinitely. I'm sorry but your explanation just doesn't make any sense and doesn't seem to be grounded in actual physics.
 
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  • #38
I asked this question when I was in 9th grade science and everyone acted like I was stupid.
I asked some other quetions where they acted the same way and a short time later I saw those ideas marketed.
To laugh at someone for asking a question is stupid, questions are how we got to where we are.
No question is a stupid question except the ones not asked.
Gee, all those other planets are round, do you suppose the Earth may also be round and not flat like we thought ?
haha ha, now your excommunicated for asking a question that doesn't follow the known supposition. rrrr
 

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