Candles on ridiculously sensitive scales

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In summary, the mass of a candle in a closed jar would be the same as an identical candle in a jar that is on fire. This is due to the fact that the energy is already in the system and there is no gain or loss of energy. This is also similar to the concept of a wind-up car, which does not become heavier during acceleration as it receives energy from an external source. Additionally, the mass of a molecule is slightly less than the sum of its unbounded atoms, similar to the mass difference in nuclear reactions.
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If we had the capacity to measure masses this small:
Would a candle in a closed jar be just as heavy as identical candle in a jar, but which is on fire?
(say, some chemical touched and ignited the candle in one jar, but is just sitting next to the candle in other, so mass is exactly the same)
As I understand, more energy in a system actually makes it heavier as particles move around and become relatively more massive, but that is if energy is put into the system from outside. What happens in this case, where the energy is actually in the system from beginning, but in a form of chemical bounds?
 
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Edi said:
If we had the capacity to measure masses this small:
Would a candle in a closed jar be just as heavy as identical candle in a jar, but which is on fire?
Yes, the mass would be the same.


Edi said:
As I understand, more energy in a system actually makes it heavier as particles move around and become relatively more massive, but that is if energy is put into the system from outside. What happens in this case, where the energy is actually in the system from beginning, but in a form of chemical bounds?
since the energy is already there the system is neither gaining nor losing any energy. (assuming no light or heat escapes the burning jar)
 
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There is another explanatory example of this: Does a wind-up-car become heavier during acceleration, if it reaches relativistic velocities?

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A.T. said:
There is another explanatory example of this: Does a wind-up-car become heavier during acceleration, if it reaches relativistic velocities?

Wind up car would receive energy input from a .. giant hand, from outside the system. (?)
 
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Edi said:
What happens in this case, where the energy is actually in the system from beginning, but in a form of chemical bounds?

Mass of molecule is a bit less than of summ of it's unbounded atoms. The same as for nuclear reactions, which is more observable, for example, compare mass of He4 to 4 Hydrogen.
 
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Edi said:
Wind up car would receive energy input from a .. giant hand, from outside the system. (?)
Not during acceleration. It is winded up at rest, then released.
 

FAQ: Candles on ridiculously sensitive scales

1. What is the purpose of using candles on ridiculously sensitive scales?

The purpose of using candles on ridiculously sensitive scales is to demonstrate the precision and accuracy of the scales. Candles are a common household item and their weight can vary even by a small fraction of a gram, making them an ideal object to show the sensitivity of the scales.

2. How do candles affect the measurement on the sensitive scales?

Candles can affect the measurement on sensitive scales by adding weight to the scale. The heat from the candle can also cause the air around the scale to fluctuate, which can affect the measurement. This can show the ability of the scale to measure even the slightest changes in weight.

3. Can other objects be used instead of candles on sensitive scales?

Yes, other objects can be used instead of candles on sensitive scales. However, it is important to choose objects that are small and lightweight to ensure that they do not significantly affect the measurement on the scale. Examples of other objects that can be used are coins, paper clips, or grains of rice.

4. What can the precision of the sensitive scales tell us about the candles?

The precision of the sensitive scales can tell us about the consistency of the candles. If the measurements of the candles are consistent and do not vary significantly, it can indicate that the candles are well-made and have a uniform weight. On the other hand, if the measurements vary greatly, it can indicate that the candles are not of consistent quality.

5. How can the use of candles on sensitive scales be applied in a scientific setting?

The use of candles on sensitive scales can be applied in a scientific setting to demonstrate the sensitivity and accuracy of the scales. It can be used as a calibration tool to ensure that the scales are measuring accurately. It can also be used in experiments where precise measurements are necessary, such as in chemistry or physics experiments.

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