Cannon Hits Cliff: Calculating Minimum Muzzle Velocity & Distance Past Edge

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The problem involves a cannon firing a shell towards a cliff, requiring calculations for the minimum muzzle velocity to clear the cliff and the distance the shell travels past the edge. The subject area includes projectile motion and kinematics.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about the relevance of the shell's mass and how to initiate the problem. Some participants suggest focusing on the equations of motion while ignoring mass. Others raise the need to calculate time as a necessary component for solving the problem.

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Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some providing guidance on how to relate time to the horizontal distance and vertical height. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but various interpretations and strategies are being discussed.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to derive time from the horizontal motion equations and the implications of the shell's mass being irrelevant to the calculations.

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A connon, located 60 m from the base of a vertical 25.0m tall clift, shoots a 15 kg shell at 43.0 degrees above the horizontal toward the cliff.

A) what must the minimum muzzle velocity be for the shell to clear the top of the cliff?
B) The ground at the top of the cliff is level, with a constant elevation of 25.0 m above the cannon. Under the conditions of part (A), how far does the shell past the edge of the cliff?

x=x0 + V0t
Vy= v0y-gt
y=y0+v0yt-1/2gt^2
vf^2=vi^2-2ax

I am a little throw off by the kg of the shell. I do not know how to start the prob.
 
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As is always the case with "gravity" problems, the mass of the shell is irrelevant. Ignore it. Use precisely the equations you have with one addition: If V0 is the initial muzzle velocity, then the x-component is VO cos(43) and the y-component is VO sin(43).
 
wouldn't I need to calculate the time ? All of the equations require time.
 
Yahaira.Reyes said:
wouldn't I need to calculate the time ? All of the equations require time.

no, you can put time in function of x, and then substitute in equation of y, getting y in funtion of x.

that gives the y coordinate in respect with x. with x=60 and y=25,you know that there will be a velocity V0 needed.(this after you've done the cos/sin thing HallsofIvy told and well.)
 

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