Can't get over how cool firefox is

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The discussion revolves around user experiences and opinions regarding the Firefox web browser compared to Internet Explorer (IE). Participants share their thoughts on performance, stability, features, and issues encountered while using both browsers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enthusiasm for Firefox, highlighting its features and usability compared to older browsers like IE.
  • Others note that not all websites support Firefox, particularly mentioning Microsoft's website as an example.
  • Concerns about pop-up ads are raised, with some participants asserting they have not experienced them since switching to Firefox, while others report occasional pop-ups.
  • Several users mention crashes with Firefox, particularly under heavy CPU and memory loads, and discuss the impact of third-party plugins on stability.
  • Some participants argue that crashes may not solely be due to user systems, suggesting that Firefox has its own stability issues.
  • There are mentions of upgrading plugins to resolve crashes, with some attributing issues to specific plugins like Acrobat and Java.
  • Participants discuss the varying perceptions of browser quality, noting that reviews often favor Firefox over IE, but acknowledging that user preferences can differ.
  • Some express frustration with IE, describing it as problematic and likening it to a virus due to its behavior and security issues.

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Participants generally agree that Firefox has advantages over IE, but there is no consensus on its perfection, as many acknowledge its own issues, particularly regarding stability and crashes. Multiple competing views on the causes of these issues remain unresolved.

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Limitations in the discussion include varying user experiences based on system specifications, the impact of third-party plugins, and differing definitions of browser quality. Some participants mention specific conditions under which crashes occur, but these are not universally applicable.

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Oh my gosh... I still can't get over how cool firefox is. Even coming from an old mozilla version. I had to use internet explorer on a friends laptop (forgot ma usb drive with firefox on it :mad: ) and UGH!

And the https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=68 is so awesome especially on physicsforums where you can instantly search a selected word in a new tab on wikipedia (or anywhere else you decide).

eek, sorry for starting to sounds like someone from marketing... but... drool.
:smile: :smile:
 
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Yeah fx is great! Only bad thing is that not all sites support it, but that will hopefully change with time.
 
mattmns said:
Yeah fx is great! Only bad thing is that not all sites support it, but that will hopefully change with time.


The only major one i know is microsofts website. You don't "support" a web browser, rather you add features that only work with IE.

Firefox is your friend.
 
I like firefox too, but the pop ads still happen.
 
Kerrie said:
I like firefox too, but the pop ads still happen.


i haven't had a single one since the day i installed firefox.

You probably have spyware problems, do the popups pop in an IE window? if so, that's definitely it. Spybot and Ad-aware are good programs to take care of that.
 
Kerrie said:
I like firefox too, but the pop ads still happen.

I've seen a couple. I believe there are ways of locking things down so that you never get popups, but I get them so rarely that it just isn't worth the trouble to me.

If you're getting a lot of popups with firefox you may have the blocker diabled or have spyware on your computer. Even the popup blocker in IE stops most popups, so if you're getting a lot of popups then it's unlikely that it's a hole in the blocker.
 
Firefox is fetch! lol

I use the ad-block, stockticker, foxforecast and webdev extensions.
 
i don't like firefox... i don't like ie... they both always crash, they both screw up... they both add time to my online work day.
 
marley.wannabee said:
i don't like firefox... i don't like ie... they both always crash, they both screw up... they both add time to my online work day.


what kind of system are you running that would make fx crash?

seriously, i have all sorts of problems with IE, but that's because its a computers equivalent of a flesh eating virus. I've never had a problem with firefox in either linux or windows. Ever.
 
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franznietzsche said:
what kind of system are you running that would make fx crash?

I've seen firefox crash on systems under a lot of cpu and memory load. It doesn't crash all the time, but it does it often enough that if you had to work with it all day then it would really be painful.
 
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I still had less problems with firefox then with ie..but since my computer crashed a few days ago, I have no internet :(
 
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master_coda said:
I've seen firefox crash on systems under a lot of cpu and memory load. It doesn't crash all the time, but it does it often enough that if you had to work with it all day then it would really be painful.

Yup, firefox isn't perfect, but it's headed in the right direction, unlike IE which hasn't been updated in 2 years.
 
  • #13
master_coda said:
I've seen firefox crash on systems under a lot of cpu and memory load. It doesn't crash all the time, but it does it often enough that if you had to work with it all day then it would really be painful.

Firefox and Mozilla are fairly unstable on platforms other than Linux or Windows. I browse pretty heavily on my Solaris workstation, and I expect Firefox and Mozilla to crash once or twice in a 24-hour period. I've had a few incidents when Mozilla and Firefox, both, were in the beta stages on various platforms (IRIX and FreeBSD), but those incidents aren't worth mentioning.

I suspect some of the crashing may be the result of installing 3rd party plugins, such as Macromedia's Flash and the JavaVM plugins.

Edit: I usually have about 5-8 tabs open at a time, also. As master_coda suggested, systems under a high memory load might be subject to a crash. Most of the time, that particular workstation doesn't get over a 0.5 CPU load.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Yup, firefox isn't perfect, but it's headed in the right direction, unlike IE which hasn't been updated in 2 years.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. It's a very good browser, I just wanted to point out that I have seen firefox crash repeatedly on systems that are otherwise stable. I don't think it's fair to assume that if firefox is crashing on someone then it must be due to a problem with their system and not a problem with firefox.
 
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I haven't had a single crash since i upgraded to 1.0 PR. But i remember i used to have crashes pretty often when i had 0.9
Btw i don't have a single extension installed since i don't need them at all. However i have plenty of skins. ^^
 
  • #16
Firefox has crashed a few times, and also ie has a few times. One thing that helped stop the crashes was upgrading to all of the latests plugins. Usually firefox would crash when I tried to open a pdf or when a java ap was opened. Once I got the latests versions of acrobat and sun java this was fixed.
 
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mattmns said:
Firefox has crashed a few times, and also ie has a few times. One thing that helped stop the crashes was upgrading to all of the latests plugins. Usually firefox would crash when I tried to open a pdf or when a java ap was opened. Once I got the latests versions of acrobat and sun java this was fixed.


then that's not a firefox problem, that's an acrobat and java problem. Give credit where credit is due.
 
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franznietzsche said:
then that's not a firefox problem, that's an acrobat and java problem. Give credit where credit is due.
Well it is a firefox problem in a way, the old version worked fine on ie, but not fx.

I have no problem with fx; in fact, I only use fx and am very pleased with it, I do not even have ie installed on my system. However, just because I use fx and not ie does not mean I am going to say that fx is perfect, sorry but it is far from it.

Also, I stated those problems with fx because if they use the old acrobat and old java that could be why fx is crashing. I am not trying to bash firefox.
 
  • #19
Professional and user browser reviews usually put mozilla or firefox at the top and ie/netscape very low at the bottom.
I don't know on what quality they are based, but browser quality is surely a vague concepts.
Professionals may prefer simple browsers that are reliable, while common users may prefer ones that are overloaded with features.
 
  • #20
ramollari said:
Professional and user browser reviews usually put mozilla or firefox at the top and ie/netscape very low at the bottom.
I don't know on what quality they are based, but browser quality is surely a vague concepts.
Professionals may prefer simple browsers that are reliable, while common users may prefer ones that are overloaded with features.

if you call automatic software download without your consent, security loopholes that allow said downloaded software to control your hardware without your consent features, then yeah sure.

I'll never forget the look on my moms face when her IE webpage changed itself, and began opening and closing her CD-ROM on its own. Funny as hell, but still not good. And that only happens with IE. IE is a disease, really it is.
 
  • #21
franznietzsche said:
And that only happens with IE. IE is a disease, really it is.
I absolutely agree. Weird things happen with my IE, as well. Right now it has fished a toolbar about dating, and shows a file chooser popup each time I open a new browser window.

Only if I could uninstall explorer from its roots, but it is impossible. :cry: That's like a virus.
 
  • #22
ramollari said:
I absolutely agree. Weird things happen with my IE, as well. Right now it has fished a toolbar about dating, and shows a file chooser popup each time I open a new browser window.

Only if I could uninstall explorer from its roots, but it is impossible. :cry: That's like a virus.


It is. Windows will not let you uninstall IE, no matter how hard you try. Its like a virus.
 
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Windows doesn't let you do many things, but this one can be worked around. Try this tool
 
  • #24
anti_crank said:
Windows doesn't let you do many things, but this one can be worked around. Try this tool

or this http://www.debian.org/ :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
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Hey, now don't go thinking GNU/Linux can't run viruses: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss

:biggrin:
 
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  • #28
rofl that is hilarious

"When I went out of my way to be part of the Windows community by doing my part to propagate Windows viruses (lots of Windows users seem to think this is important, seeing as how they run random executables and use Microsoft Outlook and Internet Explorer) "

I tip my hat to the creators of the SomeFool virus, for actually (albeit temporarily and minimally) affecting my Linux experience. However, if that's the most damage I can get by running viruses with Wine under a dummy account, then it's clear that the Wine developers have a long way to go before Wine is truly Windows compatible.
 
  • #29
hehe.

Have any of you actually been infected with a linux virus ? Isn't there a few lurking around? :confused:
 
  • #30
gazzo said:
hehe.

Have any of you actually been infected with a linux virus ? Isn't there a few lurking around? :confused:

Linux systems typically do not get infected by viruses, however, I'm sure there are a few. Usually, it's a combination of kernel and networking services (likely OpenSSH or various FTP daemons) that lead to a Linux system being compromised.
 

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