Capacitance with a Geiger Tube

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The discussion revolves around calculating capacitance in the context of a Geiger tube, specifically focusing on the geometry of the tube and the properties of the dielectric material used. The problem includes determining the maximum potential difference and charge per unit length on the wire within the tube.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion about how to approach the problem, particularly with the geometry involved in the capacitance of coaxial cylinders. They seek guidance on where to start. Some participants suggest using Gaussian surfaces to calculate electric fields and integrating to find potential differences.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing guidance on deriving necessary equations. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's efforts, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the approach to solving the problem.

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The original poster mentions difficulty with the specific setup of the coaxial cylinders compared to other configurations they are familiar with, indicating a potential gap in understanding the application of the relevant equations.

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Homework Statement


The radius and the length of the central wire in a Geiger tube are 0.180 mm and 10.0 cm, respectively. The outer surface of the tube is a conducting cylindrical shell that has an inner radius of 1.50 cm. The shell is coaxial with the wire and has the same length (10.0 cm). The tube is filled with a gas that has a dielectric constant of 1.08 and a dielectric strength of 1.00*10^6 V/m.

(a) What is the maximum potential difference that can be maintained between the wire and shell?


(b) What is the maximum charge per unit length on the wire?



Homework Equations


C/L=2[tex]\pi\epsilon[/tex]/ln[tex]a/b[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I am completely befuddled by this. I'm not sure where to start even, I'd just like some one to please point me towards the start. I have no trouble working with single cylinders or with parallel plates but this is just beyond confusing to me. Advice? Thank you in advanced.

edit:whoa...that equation came out ugly...
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hopefully that works
 
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Yup, that's the right answer.
 
ideasrule said:
Yup, that's the right answer.

Sarcasm is not appreciated, I'm not asking for someone to do it for me...just some guidance.
 
I really wasn't trying to be sarcastic. You said:

1st2fall said:
edit:whoa...that equation came out ugly...
0220.png
hopefully that works

That IS the right answer for the capacitance. You couldn't have gotten that without answering at least part of (b) correctly, so I assumed you didn't need any more help. Now I know that you probably found that equation in the textbook and didn't derive it, but that wasn't clear from your first post.

For (b), if you take a cylindrical Gaussian surface surrounding the line of charge, you can calculate E. If the maximum E equals the dielectric breakdown value, that's when the charge held by the capacitor is the maximum possible.

For (a), you have to first derive a formula for potential difference. You already have an equation relating E and r from part (b), so integrate E*dr from a to b and you'll get the equation.
 

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