Car Accelerating Down Hill: Friction & Energy Homework

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The discussion centers on a physics homework problem involving a 900-kg car rolling down a 50m hill inclined at 5.0 degrees, facing a friction force of 400 N. The initial solution incorrectly calculated the car's speed at the bottom as -31.304 m/s, neglecting the work done by friction. The correct approach incorporates gravitational potential energy and work done by friction, leading to a revised speed of approximately -7.9 m/s. Additionally, it was concluded that increasing the car's mass to 1800 kg would not increase the distance traveled on a horizontal surface due to the opposing friction force.

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Homework Statement


A 900-kg car initially at rest rolls 50m down a hill inclined at an angle of 5.0^o. A 400-N effective friction force opposes its motion. (a) How fast is the car moving at the bottom? (b) What distance will it travel on a similar horizontal surface at the bottom of the hill? (c) Will the distance decrease or increase if the car’s mass is 1800-kg?

m = 900 kg
\vec s_i = 50 m
\vec s_f = 0 m
\Delta \vec s = \vec s_f - \vec s_i = -50 m
\theta = 5.0^o
\vec F_f = 400 N
g = 9.8 m/s^2
KE_i = 0 J
PE_f = 0 J

Homework Equations


My car is going down the hill and to the left. I choose up as positive, down as negative, right as positive and left as negative.

(a) \sum \vec F_x = F_{net1} = F_f - F = F_f - mg sin \theta
W_{net} = {\vec F}_{net} \Delta \vec s
PE_i = mg \vec s_i
KE_f = \frac {1}{2}m {\vec v}^2
KE_i + PE_i = KE_f + PE_f \Rightarrow PE_i = KE_f \Rightarrow mg \vec s_i = \frac {1}{2}m {\vec v}^2 \Rightarrow \vec v = -\sqrt{2g \vec s_i}

(b) \vec F_{net2} = \vec F_f - \vec F_{net1} = ma \Rightarrow a = \frac {\vec F_f - \vec F_{net1}}{m}
v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2 \vec a \vec s \Rightarrow \vec s = \frac {v_f^2 - v_i^2}{2 \vec a}

or

F_f = ma \Rightarrow a = \frac {F_f}{m}
v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2 \vec a \vec s \Rightarrow \vec s = \frac {v_i^2}{2 \vec a}

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) \sum \vec F_x = F_{net1} = 400 N - (900 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(sin 5.0^o) = -368.71 N
W_{net} = {\vec F}_{net} \Delta \vec s = (-368.71 N)(-50 m) = 18,435 J
\vec v = -\sqrt{2g \vec s_i} = -\sqrt{2(9.8 m/s^2)(50 m)} = -31.304 m/s \sim -31 m/s

(b) \vec v_i = -31.304 m/s
\vec v_f = 0 m/s
\vec F_f = 400 N

a = \frac {(400 N) - (-368.71 N)}{(900 kg)} = 0.8541 m/s^2
\vec s = \frac {(0)^2 - (-31.304 m/s)^2}{2(0.8541 m/s^2)} = -573.66 m \sim -570m

or

F_f = ma \Rightarrow a = \frac {F_f}{m} = \frac {400 N}{900 kg} = 0.44444 m/s^2
\vec s = \frac {- (-31.304 m/s)^2}{2(0.44444 m/s^2)} = -1102.4 m \sim -1100m

(c) The distance will increase, because the greater mass will cause the force of gravity accelerating the car down the hill to increase. In turn, this will cause the net work, KE and velocity to increase.

Is part a correct? Which way is correct for part b? Is anything else wrong?
Thank-you
 
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Hi there. Part a is not correct. What is the height of the hill? The speed of the car at the bottom of the hill will be less than 31m/s because you left the work done by friction out of the equation. It should be PEi=KEf +Wf since the car was initially at rest. Think it in terms of energy.
 
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lep11 said:
Hi there. Part a is not correct. What is the height of the hill?
So with gravitational PE I use the vertical component of its displacement, but with work I use the displacement (which would be ||\vec s|| sin \theta and \Delta \vec s = s_f - s_i respectively)?

h = ||\vec s|| sin \theta = (50 m)sin(5.0^o) = 4.3577 m

lep11 said:
The speed of the car at the bottom of the hill will be less than 31m/s because you left the work done by friction out of the equation. It should be PEi=KEf +Wf since the car was initially at rest. Think it in terms of energy.
Ok, so the car has some PE at the top, then it's converted to KE at the bottom, and in between there's a loss of energy due to friction. So:

W_f = {\vec F}_f \Delta \vec s = (400 N)(-50 m) = 20,000 J
PE_i = KE_f + W_f \Rightarrow mgh = \frac {1}{2}m {\vec v_f}^2 + W_f \Rightarrow \vec v_f = -\sqrt {\frac {2(mgh - W_f)}{m}}

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) \vec v_f = -\sqrt {\frac {2((900 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(4.3577 m) - (20,000 J))}{(900 kg)}} = -7.9491 m/s \sim -7.9 m/s

(b) F_f = ma \Rightarrow a = \frac {F_f}{m} = \frac {400 N}{900 kg} = 0.44444 m/s^2
v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2 \vec a \vec s \Rightarrow \vec s = \frac {v_i^2}{2 \vec a} = \frac {- (-7.9491 m/s)^2}{2(0.44444 m/s^2)} = -71.087 m \sim -71m

(c) The distance will increase, because the greater mass will cause the force of gravity accelerating the car down the hill to increase. In turn, this will cause the net work, KE and velocity to increase.

Thank-you
 
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logan3 said:
So with gravitational PE I use the vertical component of its displacement, but with work I use the displacement (which would be ||\vec s|| sin \theta and \Delta \vec s = s_f - s_i respectively)?

h = ||\vec s|| sin \theta = (50 m)sin(5.0^o) = 4.3577 m
Exactly.

logan3 said:
Ok, so the car has some PE at the top, then it's converted to KE at the bottom, and in between there's a loss of energy due to friction. So:

W_f = {\vec F}_f \Delta \vec s = (400 N)(-50 m) = 20,000 J
PE_i = KE_f + W_f \Rightarrow mgh = \frac {1}{2}m {\vec v_f}^2 + W_f \Rightarrow \vec v_f = -\sqrt {\frac {2(mgh - W_f)}{m}}

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) \vec v_f = -\sqrt {\frac {2((900 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(4.3577 m) - (20,000 J))}{(900 kg)}} = -7.9491 m/s \sim -7.9 m/s
Looks good now.
 
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logan3 said:
(b) F_f = ma \Rightarrow a = \frac {F_f}{m} = \frac {400 N}{900 kg} = 0.44444 m/s^2
v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2 \vec a \vec s \Rightarrow \vec s = \frac {v_i^2}{2 \vec a} = \frac {- (-7.9491 m/s)^2}{2(0.44444 m/s^2)} = -71.087 m \sim -71m
This looks right as well.
logan3 said:
(c) The distance will increase, because the greater mass will cause the force of gravity accelerating the car down the hill to increase. In turn, this will cause the net work, KE and velocity to increase.

Thank-you
Nope, it won't increase. How is friction defined?
 
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