Car water pump barrier to flow when off?

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The discussion centers on the functionality of automotive centrifugal water pumps and their role in coolant flow when the engine is off. It is established that centrifugal pumps do not completely seal off coolant flow, allowing for potential leaks even when the engine is not running. The presence of a weep hole in these pumps indicates that coolant can escape as seals wear. Additionally, the conversation highlights diagnostic techniques for identifying leaks, such as compression testing and visual inspections for discoloration in spark plugs and oil.

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  • #31
Note my car has no heater (because in my place the temperature never gets below 15 degree celsius) and my reservoir (or overflow tank) is at the side (not on top).
Or here is a very simple description. The engine is not turned on.. it is left cold parked for one day. When I opened it. The level will be:
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Then I manually add about 5cc/5ml of coolant above to make it reach the base of the filler neck:

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Then I closed the radiator cap. And still not turning on the engine and the car is still cold. After 2 hours. The level will drop back to the one in the first picture and for a day or two. It will remain that way. It means the coolant is not leaking inside.

The mystery. Where did the coolant go? Let's take this example where the engine is not warmed or get turned but left cold in parking overnight.
 

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This is the second situation that actually happened too. The car and engine was left cold (turn off) overnight. Then in the morning the coolant level is settled below filler neck as the following picture shows:

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Now after turning on the engine for just 10 seconds. The radiator coolant fills up to the filler neck after I turn off engine and opened radiator cap immediately and remains so in this level. You can't say for that 10 seconds it sucks the coolant from the reservoir.

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So what happened? This may be rocket science.. but there may be lots of rocket scientists here anyway.. :) Thanks.
 

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  • #33
Ketch22 said:
These are legendary for being difficult to bleed the air from.
This is not surprising. it's like (upside down) designing a drainage system with no dips in it but it's a minor design constraint compared with other requirements. Bubbles will congregate in high spots and the system and gradually be swept out. Air will also dissolve in the coolant when it's cold and boil out when it's hot and that will be a gradual leeching mechanism but it may take many cycles of 'breathing' before all traces are gone. I well remember the old system in which there was no reservoir at all and you had to check fairly often if you wanted to be sure that the level was high enough. The 'new' automatic top-up system was a great invention.
PS Aren't modern hoses wonderful?
 
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Maybe the most logical explanation is there is air still inside the coolant system even in new cars? Where does the air usually hide in the CRV 2004 model? And what is the best way to bleed the air out of the coolant system?
 
  • #35
we rebuild our race car engines s many times over the years. In all automobile cooling systems there are many many air pockets present when you do the initial coolant fill. You have to ' burp ' the radiator hose with the engine running and the radiator cap removed. You will see air bubbles at the open radiator cap opening and you squeeze the rubber radiator hose many times until the system flows with zero air bubbles. This assumes you have no leaks from the head gasket. It also held to park the car so the front of the car is uphill. Gravity will help move the air bubbles to the top of the engine. You may have to add as much as a liter (quart ) of coolant.
 
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