Career Path Help for 17 Yr Old | Anthony

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The discussion revolves around career path options for a 17-year-old high school student, Anthony, who is considering pursuing a career in either diesel technology or aerospace engineering. The conversation explores various aspects of these fields, including potential job roles, educational pathways, and practical experiences that could inform his decision.

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Main Points Raised

  • Anthony expresses interest in aerospace due to his fascination with airplanes and aerodynamics, but he is uncertain about specific job titles or roles that align with his interests in testing and product improvement.
  • One participant suggests that Anthony gain practical experience by seeking unskilled positions at a local airport to learn more about the aerospace field.
  • Another participant mentions that most engineering programs typically include introductory courses to help students decide on a specialization.
  • A different viewpoint argues that while introductory courses are beneficial, they do not fully prepare students for the realities of engineering work, emphasizing the importance of understanding user needs and industry perspectives.
  • A participant shares their experience as a diesel technician and discusses the challenges of the job, suggesting that the pay and working conditions may not be as favorable compared to pursuing a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
  • There is a clarification that aerospace engineering encompasses various areas, including aerodynamics, materials and structures, and dynamics & control, with a suggestion that flight test engineering might align with Anthony's interests.
  • Anthony inquires about good schools in Michigan or Indiana for pursuing either diesel technology or aerospace engineering.
  • One participant recommends the University of Michigan for its strong aerospace engineering program.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present a range of perspectives on the best approach for Anthony, with some advocating for practical experience while others emphasize educational pathways. There is no clear consensus on which career path is preferable or on the best way to proceed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of engineering education and career prospects in both diesel technology and aerospace engineering, which may not be universally applicable. Specific job roles and educational requirements are not fully defined, leaving room for interpretation.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering careers in engineering, particularly in aerospace or diesel technology, as well as those seeking guidance on educational pathways and practical experiences in these fields.

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I'm 17 yrs old in high school and I'm not positive on what i want to go to school for. I'm on the fence about a diesel tech. and something in the aerospace field. As for aerospace, I thought of that as a choice because it seems like the more I see airplanes the more I get interested in them. I think aerodynamics and flying in general are pretty cool, but I wouldn't want to work on planes. I would be more interested in the testing side of things like testing a product a company designs and produces and figure out how to make it better or something along those lines, designing things is alright. I don't really know anything about this subject, I'm just winging right now(no pun intended). I'm also pretty clueless on what category or job title these interests would fall under. Aerospace Engineer?
And if anyone knows any good schools in Michigan or Indiana for either of these careers please let me know.
Any help is appreciated!
Thanks, Anthony
 
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Anthony, find a local airport and see if they're hiring for any unskilled positions over the summer. You'll learn a lot by hanging around an airport, talking to mechanics, pilots, and the like. Even if you don't want to become a pilot or a mechanic, you can learn a lot about what an aerospace engineer has to deal with.
 
Don't most engineering programmes have a first year where student only do introductory courses to help decide which specialization they want to choose?
 
wukunlin, Yes, while there usually are such courses, they bear no resemblance to the reality of engineering.

You shouldn't put the cart before the horse. Teaching students the fundamentals of engineering is great as far as it goes. It is needed. However, the fundamentals are only there to help organize the framework for an engineer to understand the work ahead. The fundamentals are essential for knowing when you are out of your realm of experience (note: this is a very serious issue for registered Professional Engineers)

I suggest to people that they learn about the users and customers first. They do not have to master those professions or skills, merely understand where their strengths and education are. This is essential to understanding how the new thing you're designing will be received.

That is why, if someone expresses a curiosity about Aerospace, I suggest visiting a local airport. I don't expect they'll ever design a private airplane, or even a component of that airplane. However, they need to know what pilots train in, talk about, and discuss. Some of those people they meet may be in the industry later in life.

Likewise, for those interested in telecommunications, I recommend getting a ham radio license, listening on the air, and building radios. It is a good way to get your feet wet and gain an advance perspective of what you're about to study in college.
 
I have a friend that works with luggage at my airport he makes decent money too. I'll definitely try and get in there. I think I could learn something there.
 
For what its worth, I work as a diesel tech. Now I'm going back to college for Mechanical Engineering. Not because I don't like working on engines, transmissions, and rear ends. Because the pay you get doesn't compare to the bs you have to deal with. Cancer causing chemicals, rough on your body, mediocre pay, dealing with people, gets boring when there isn't much of value to learn. It is nice to know how to work on vehicles, but if you have a hobby (drag racing, cars, etc.) you most likely won't be able to afford your own. Because everyone you know and don't know will want you to work on their vehicles for free.
 
Anthony B said:
As for aerospace, I thought of that as a choice because it seems like the more I see airplanes the more I get interested in them. I think aerodynamics and flying in general are pretty cool, but I wouldn't want to work on planes.

Aerospace engineering is neither working on planes or flying them (though numerous aerospace engineers get a license on the side). In general, there are three main areas:
  • Aerodynamics and propulsion (what most people think of)
  • Materials and structures
  • Dynamics & control (what I do)
A&P is fairly straightforward (fluid dynamics, e.g. Navier-Stokes, turbulence, Computational Fluid Dynamics, wind tunnel testing), as is materials and structures (making lighter, better, stronger, materials, e.g. composites, Shape Memory Alloys, etc., making lightweight structures that can handle the requisite loads). Dynamics & controls is modeling vehicle equations of motion and controlling that motion (think autonomous vehicles, autopilots, making unstable systems stable, etc.)

Anthony B said:
I would be more interested in the testing side of things like testing a product a company designs and produces and figure out how to make it better or something along those lines, designing things is alright. I don't really know anything about this subject, I'm just winging right now(no pun intended). I'm also pretty clueless on what category or job title these interests would fall under. Aerospace Engineer?

You might find flight test engineering interesting.

Anthony B said:
Aerospace Engineer? And if anyone knows any good schools in Michigan or Indiana for either of these careers please let me know. Any help is appreciated!
Thanks, Anthony

University of Michigan has a very good aerospace engineering program.
 

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