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The problem involves finding the parametric vector equation and the linear Cartesian equation of a line defined by two position vectors in three-dimensional space. The vectors given are < 2,1,7> and < 1,4,-1>. The discussion centers around the correct formulation of these equations and the implications of using a unit vector.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the parametric equations from the position vectors and the calculation of the unit vector. Questions arise regarding the necessity of eliminating the parameter λ to form the Cartesian equation and whether the current form is acceptable.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on converting the parametric equations into symmetric form and suggest eliminating λ. There is acknowledgment of the correctness of the initial attempts, but also a request for clarification on the use of the unit vector versus a simpler approach without it.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the requirement for a linear Cartesian equation and the implications of using a unit vector in the calculations. There is also a reference to a previous thread, indicating ongoing exploration of similar concepts.

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Homework Statement


The position vectors of two points a and b on a line are < 2,1,7> and < 1,4,-1>
Find the parametric vector equation for any point on the line.
Find the linear Cartesian equation of the line using x, y, z as coordinates.

Homework Equations



For the parametric eq.

x = a + λu where u is a unit vector

The Attempt at a Solution



b -a = < -1, 3, -8 > , call it u
Norm of b -a = √(-1)^2 + (3)^2 + -(-8)^2
unit vector u = <-1/√74, 3/ √74 , -8 /√74>

x = < 2, 1, 7 > + λ<-1/√74, 3/ √74 , -8 /√74>


For the Cartesian equation I have.

x = 2 + λ(-1/√74)

y = 1 + λ(3/ √74)

z = 7 + λ(-8 /√74)


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I have a question if it says linear Cartesian equation does that mean I have to eliminate lambda and write it all together or it is fine to leave as I have?

Thanks
 
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You can solve each of the the Cartesian equations you have for λ and hence put the equations into 'symmetric' form.
 
OK. Does it look correct otherwise? Thanks.
 
It is the same but different. I have mad mistakes in the old one. So I redid it. Is it correct?
 
Jbreezy said:
OK. Does it look correct otherwise? Thanks.
I believe so
 
Thanks, sorry for the re- post.
 
Jbreezy said:

Homework Statement


The position vectors of two points a and b on a line are < 2,1,7> and < 1,4,-1>
Find the parametric vector equation for any point on the line.
Find the linear Cartesian equation of the line using x, y, z as coordinates.

Homework Equations



For the parametric eq.

x = a + λu where u is a unit vector

The Attempt at a Solution



b -a = < -1, 3, -8 > , call it u
Norm of b -a = √(-1)^2 + (3)^2 + -(-8)^2
unit vector u = <-1/√74, 3/ √74 , -8 /√74>

x = < 2, 1, 7 > + λ<-1/√74, 3/ √74 , -8 /√74>


For the Cartesian equation I have.

x = 2 + λ(-1/√74)

y = 1 + λ(3/ √74)

z = 7 + λ(-8 /√74)
When t= 0, x= 2, y= 1, z= 7 which is (2, 1, 7), one of the two given points.
when \sqrt{74}, x= 2- 1= 1, y= 1+ 3= 4, z= 7- 8= -1 which is (1, 4, -1), the other point. Since all the calculations are linear, this is a straight line and since it contains the two points that define the line, it is the correct line.

But I am puzzled at your use of \sqrt{74}. You don''t have to use a unit vector. You could just as well use x= 2- t, y= 1+ 3t, z= y- 8t, avoiding the square root.




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I have a question if it says linear Cartesian equation does that mean I have to eliminate lambda and write it all together or it is fine to leave as I have?

Thanks
Yes, eliminate \lambda. The simplest way to do that is to solve each equation for \lambda: \lambda= -\sqrt{74}(x- 2), \lambda= \sqrt{74}(y- 1)/3, and \lambda= \sqrt{74}(z- 7)/(-8). Since those are all equal to \lambda they are equal to each other:
\frac{x- 2}{-1}= \frac{y- 1}{3}= \frac{z- 7}{-8}
Notice that the \sqrt{74} terms all cancel.
 
I don't know just used it. The unit vector I mean. THX DOOODE!
 

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