Cartesian to polar unit vectors + Linear Combination

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The discussion revolves around converting a particle's motion described by a position vector in Cartesian coordinates to polar coordinates. The specific task involves determining the polar unit vectors and expressing the velocity vector as a linear combination of these unit vectors.

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  • Participants explore the conversion of Cartesian coordinates to polar coordinates, questioning the notation and potential typos in the original problem statement. There are attempts to express the position vector in terms of polar unit vectors and to derive the velocity vector accordingly.

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Some participants have pointed out possible typos in the problem statement, leading to confusion regarding the components of the position and velocity vectors. There is ongoing clarification about the definitions of the unit vectors and their relationships to the Cartesian components, with no consensus reached yet on the correct interpretation of the problem.

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I've been trying to solve this question all day. If somebody could point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it!

(ii) A particle’s motion is described by the following position vector r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t − t)ˆy Determine the polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ for r. [4]

v(t) is given as: v(t) = 4xˆ + (10t − 1)ˆy
(iv) Using the ˆr and ˆθ you found in (ii) above, write v(t) as a linear combination of rˆ and ˆθ. [4]

(v) Differentiate the expression for r(t) you got in part (ii) (in terms of ˆr and ˆθ, and using the expressions ˙rˆ = ˙θ ˆθ , ˙ˆθ = − ˙θrˆ derived in the lectures, show that you obtain the same answer as in part (iv)

I understand that for θ^ = -sinθ + cosθ and r^=sinθ + cos θ I'm just unsure how to do part (ii) without it being really messy e.g with cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4)) where tan^-1(10t-1/4)=θ especially knowing I have to find a linear combination afterwords.

The attempt at a solution
My current answer for part (ii):
r^= cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4))x^ + sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))y^
θ^= -sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))x^ + cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4))y^

And for part (iv) am I am right in saying that I need to find, a and b scalars for the following:
4 = a*cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4)) +b*-sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))
10t-1 = a*sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))+b*cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4))

I'm really not sure about this one. It appears like it's going to difficult to eliminate the t value.
Anyway, thanks in advance, I'm going to keep working on it now.
 
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Christina909 said:
A particle’s motion is described by the following position vector r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t − t)ˆy Determine the polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ for r. [4]

v(t) is given as: v(t) = 4xˆ + (10t − 1)ˆy
I am pretty sure there's at least one typo here. Why would anybody specify (10t - t)y?
 
Yes that was a typo, sorry.
But when I say y^ -'y' hat (Or ^y - the typo) I mean it as the component, and it's the same with the others, it was just a formatting error
 
Hi. This all seems a bit confusing, partly because of notation and possible typos... (What's the correct r(t) you are given, by the way?)
Now regardless of that, you seem to have taken a wrong track in the beginning. So to avoid the hats I'm going to define: r-hat = er ; θ-hat = eθ , and: x-hat = ex ; y-hat = ey

You know that in polar coordinates (because you mention it at some point):
er = cosθ ex + sinθ ey , eθ = –sinθ ex + cosθ ey , and this is always true.
You also know that: cosθ = x/r = x⋅(x2+ y2)–1/2, and: sinθ = y/r = y⋅(x2+ y2)–1/2 ,
And this is also always true.
Now you are given an expression: r(t) = x(t) ex + y(t) ey,
So what does all that make of er and eθ?
 
Christina909 said:
Yes that was a typo, sorry.
But when I say y^ -'y' hat (Or ^y - the typo) I mean it as the component, and it's the same with the others, it was just a formatting error
I think the typo referred to was writing the y-component as ##10t-t##. Why not simply write it as ##9t##? Plus it's inconsistent with what you later said was the y-component of the velocity, ##10t-1##. That's not the derivative of ##10t-t##.
 
r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t − t)ˆy Determine the polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ for r. [4]

v(t) is given as: v(t) = 4xˆ + (10t − 1)ˆy

Chris, can you clear this up ?

Either

##\vec r(t) = 4t\hat x + (10 t^2 - t )\hat y\ \ ##, but then ##\vec v(t) = 4\hat x + (20 t - 1)\hat y##,

or

##\vec v(t) = 4\hat x + (10 t - 1)\hat y\ \ ## and then ##\vec r(t) = 4t\hat x + (5 t^2 - t )\hat y##.Unless, of course, there is more than one typo harassing us...
 

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