Causal structure of spacetime: intuitive reason for non-compactness?

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Space-time cannot be compact due to the implications of closed time-like curves, as established by Hawking and Ellis. The existence of limit points in a compact space would violate the principle of relativity, suggesting that geodesics could be influenced by factors beyond mass and energy. This discussion references foundational texts such as Wald's "General Relativity" and "The Large Scale Structure of Space Time," emphasizing the necessity of understanding these concepts to grasp the implications of non-compactness in space-time. The conversation also highlights the mathematical underpinnings of these ideas, particularly in topology.

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  • Understanding of general relativity principles, particularly Einstein's field equations.
  • Familiarity with topology concepts, including compact spaces and limit points.
  • Knowledge of closed time-like curves and their implications in physics.
  • Basic grasp of causal structures in space-time, including geodesics and their properties.
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  • Study "General Relativity" by Robert Wald to deepen understanding of Einstein's field equations.
  • Explore topology, focusing on compactness and limit points in mathematical contexts.
  • Research closed time-like curves and their implications in theoretical physics.
  • Examine the paper by Paul Kinlaw for insights into the mathematical aspects of space-time structure.
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This discussion is beneficial for physicists, mathematicians, and students of general relativity seeking to understand the implications of non-compactness in space-time and its foundational principles.

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Apologies in advance if this has been asked and answered somewhere else, I searched but could not find anything.

I just wanted to verify if my intuitive understanding of why space time (if it is to be physically plausible) can not be compact.

According to Hawking and Ellis (and others) space time can not be compact because it would allow for the existence of closed time like curves. I understand (I think) that argument based on limit points, or accumulation points, which define a (sequence) compact space and how this allows such curves to exist.

Now, is it also correct, and much simpler, to assume that *if* space time was compact, this would imply "special" points in space time (i.e. the limit points) which breaks the principle of relativity, somehow...?

I.e. if space time is compact, then there exists an arbitrary number of points which are the accumulation points for sequences of time like curves and (ignoring *completely* the closed-timelike curve problem) this would imply that geodesics would be influenced by other things than just mass/energy (as the causal argument is independent of any solution to Einstein's field equations.)

Or am I very very far off on a tangent indeed..?
 
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I wonder if the following will help:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1005/1005.2591v1.pdf

The author, Paul Kinlaw, recently finished his PhD in math and talked about it where I am. Its a bit mathy (essentially a topology paper) but I think it addresses what you're interested into some degree. The problems he's interested in were originally motivated in physics but he's a few degrees removed and so has some trouble fielding those types of questions. I straddle math and physics but have yet to really study GR (soon...very soon).

I hope it helps.
 
Thank you for your response, the article looks very interesting and I'm rolling up my sleeves and digging into it! If I get to some sort of epiphany I'll post a follow up.
 
jarlostensen said:
According to Hawking and Ellis (and others) space time can not be compact because it would allow for the existence of closed time like curves.
George Jones posted the proof of this part (or most of it anyway) here.
 
Thanks Fredrik, I was following Wald's book on GR plus what I could gleam from "The Large Scale Structure of Space Time" on Google books - I think George Jones' reply that you refer to is very clear and helpful - I'm going to wrap my head around this last part in particular (I think it holds a clue to the epiphany I need to get to):
...Consequently, p_1 is in I+(p_1), i.e., there exists a smooth, future-directed timelike curve from p_1 to p_1.

I.e. that a finite subcover and, perhaps on an equally fundamental level, that "M" is Hausdorff, means that points will inevitably lie in their own chronological- and causal -future.

Perhaps this has some relevance to my starting point, i.e. that this also implies that space has some sort of "preferred structure" which would imply non-matter originating effects which could not be encoded in the Einstein tensor and hence are unphysical (leading to compact space times being unphysical) - but that part is still something I'm trying to understand (and I am starting to suspect that it's just plain wrong)
 
In an inertial frame of reference (IFR), there are two fixed points, A and B, which share an entangled state $$ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0>_A|1>_B+|1>_A|0>_B) $$ At point A, a measurement is made. The state then collapses to $$ |a>_A|b>_B, \{a,b\}=\{0,1\} $$ We assume that A has the state ##|a>_A## and B has ##|b>_B## simultaneously, i.e., when their synchronized clocks both read time T However, in other inertial frames, due to the relativity of simultaneity, the moment when B has ##|b>_B##...

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