Causality and the Green's Function in Classical EM

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lagrangian mechanics in the context of classical electromagnetism (EM) and the implications of causality as expressed through Green's functions. Participants are examining the setup of a problem involving the Lagrangian expressed in terms of a current density J, and exploring the conditions under which the divergence of J vanishes.

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  • Participants are attempting to express the Lagrangian in terms of J and are questioning the implications of the divergence condition on J. There is also a discussion about the interpretation of terms in momentum space and their causal properties, particularly in relation to Newtonian gravity versus classical EM.

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Some participants have provided affirmations regarding the expressions and concepts being discussed, while others are probing deeper into the implications of causality in the context of the problem. The conversation is exploring various interpretations without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of gauge choices and the physical interpretations of non-causal modes in the context of classical theories, highlighting the differences between Newtonian gravity and classical electromagnetism.

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I am not sure about the problem set up.

For (a), Using Equation of motion, need to express Lagrangian in terms of only J?

I got, [tex]L=-\frac{1}{2 \Box^2 }(\partial_\mu J_\nu)^2 - \frac{{J_\mu}^2}{\Box}[/tex], using lorentz gauge

(b) [tex]\partial_\mu J_\mu =0[/tex] means [tex]k_\mu J_\mu =0 ?[/tex]

For (d), I can't understand what it's asking. In momentum space, the term without time derivative is the first term in (a)??

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merrypark3 said:
For (a), Using Equation of motion, need to express Lagrangian in terms of only J?

Yes.

merrypark3 said:
(b) [tex]\partial_\mu J_\mu =0[/tex] means [tex]k_\mu J_\mu =0 ?[/tex]

Yes.

merrypark3 said:
For (d), I can't understand what it's asking. In momentum space, the term without time derivative is the first term in (a)??

##\omega \rightarrow \partial_t## when going from Fourier space to configuration space. Causally propagating terms have ##\partial_t## to some order e.g. ##\partial^2_t##. Non-causal ones only have spatial derivatives e.g. ##\nabla^2## with no ##\partial^2_t## present. The question is asking why the latter are considered non-causal. What are your thoughts on this? As a simple example, consider interactions in Newtonian gravity ##\nabla^2 \varphi = 4\pi \rho##. In what sense is this non-causal?
 
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WannabeNewton said:
Yes.



Yes.



##\omega \rightarrow \partial_t## when going from Fourier space to configuration space. Causally propagating terms have ##\partial_t## to some order e.g. ##\partial^2_t##. Non-causal ones only have spatial derivatives e.g. ##\nabla^2## with no ##\partial^2_t## present. The question is asking why the latter are considered non-causal. What are your thoughts on this? As a simple example, consider interactions in Newtonian gravity ##\nabla^2 \varphi = 4\pi \rho##. In what sense is this non-causal?


For Newton's gravity, the green function wouldn't contain time, which means can't distinguish source and field point for time
 
merrypark3 said:
For Newton's gravity, the green function wouldn't contain time, which means can't distinguish source and field point for time

Yes exactly so there is no retardation of the Green's function. Causality of field propagation is codified by the retarded Green's function of a given field equation. But there is an important distinction to be made between the case of Newtonian gravity and classical EM, the latter of which is considered in the problem. In Newtonian gravity the non-causal mode is physical, albeit incorrect because Newtonian gravity is not an inherently relativistic theory. On the other hand, in EM the non-causal mode, which in this case corresponds to ##\frac{J_0}{k^2} \rightarrow \frac{J_0}{\nabla^2}##, is unphysical because it is just an artifact of the choice of gauge.
 

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