Cause of Gravity: Lewis Epstein's Theory Explained

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The discussion centers around Lewis Epstein's theory of gravity as presented in his book "Relativity Visualized," which posits that gravity is primarily caused by the slowing of time rather than the curving of space. Participants explore the implications of this theory, its conceptual underpinnings, and its relation to established understandings of gravity, particularly in the context of general relativity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that Epstein's argument may be circular, as it uses the bending of light to explain gravity while acknowledging that light bending is a consequence of gravity.
  • One participant suggests that the relationship between time dilation and spatial curvature is more complex, indicating that both are aspects of the same phenomenon rather than one being more significant than the other.
  • Another participant references a respected text stating that Newtonian gravity arises from the curvature of time, suggesting a potential alignment with Epstein's views.
  • Some argue that while gravity is explained through spacetime curvature, there remains an unresolved question regarding the source of energy needed for acceleration, which they feel is not adequately addressed by current theories.
  • A later reply challenges the notion that energy conservation issues are not well-explained in general relativity, emphasizing that spacetime, not just space, is curved and that particles move through time even when at rest.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Epstein's approach, noting that while some aspects of his book are intuitive, the specific claims about gravity may warrant further scrutiny.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on Epstein's theory, with participants expressing differing views on the validity of his claims and the implications for understanding gravity. Some agree that time dilation and spatial curvature are interconnected, while others challenge the adequacy of Epstein's explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of defining the "cause" of gravity and the philosophical implications of such discussions. There are also references to unresolved questions regarding energy conservation in the context of general relativity.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those exploring concepts of gravity, general relativity, and the philosophical implications of physical theories.

  • #31
Yogi, G is a coupling constant and it is used to change units of measure. It allows mass to be expressed a length, just in the same way as c allows time to be expressed as a length. You can set them to 1 and work in Planck units if you like. Yes, if you want a value in SI units you will have to measure it just as you do with c. There are also dimensionless constants (26 according to John Baez). These constants are used in the most accurate of all theories, QFT. Sure no-one knows why they have the values they do, or how to compute them from the theory, and that may mean the theory is incomplete in some sense, but it is the same with all theories.
 
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CRichard said:
Epstein's reasoning is then that you can fold this paper into a cone (which is allowed because it doesn't change the nature of spacetime) and then see that the straight line actually curves toward the wider end of the cone. This is how gravity comes about.

If I understand you correctly, this seems to violate time symmetry.
 
  • #33
I enjoyed the debate between yogi and DaleSpam concerning the value of G.
yogi said:
Your missing the whole point - whatever units we use to express G - it will always measure the same - G appears to be temporally constant irrespective of the dimensions we use - but the units are significant - they show the fundamental tie between the physical thing (i.e., the law of Gravity) and its relationship to the cause that brings about the multiplying factor needed to make experimental measurements conform to the underlying theory. In the case of G, the units are cubic meters per sec squared per kgm - i.e., volumetric acceleration/kgm. And the volumetric acceleration of the universe within the limits of experimental error comports with the experimentally determined value of G - that is not numerology - it comes directly from Freidmann's equation.

That was the best explanation for G that I have read. Not to say that I think DaleSpame is wrong. What he is saying is of course correct, but it's not what makes the value of G meaningful.

Here is a case in point. The equivalence principle tells us that m_i = m_p = m_a. If we could somehow change the ratio of m_a to m_p / m_i then the measured value of G would change also, no matter what choice of units we used. In fact, this is precisely the way the equivalence principle can be experimentally tested. An example can be found in: "Experimental Measurement of the Equivalence of Active and Passive Gravitational Mass - L. B. Kreuzer". Start reading at the section titled "II. Theory".

Thanks for the interesting thread.
 

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