Cavity resonances between two long parallel plates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of acoustic waves between two long parallel plates, particularly focusing on how the resonant wavelengths change when the plates are not infinitely long in the X-direction. The scope includes theoretical considerations of resonance, boundary conditions, and the effects of radiation losses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the wavelengths corresponding to successive resonant modes are given by λn = 2d/n, where d is the distance between the plates.
  • Another participant notes that the boundary conditions will change when the plates have edges or interfaces normal to the X-direction.
  • It is mentioned that the surfaces normal to the X-direction are open to air, while the plates themselves are rigid, implying a normal component of particle velocity equals zero.
  • There is a question regarding whether the medium between the plates and the outside air is different, which is clarified to be the same (air).
  • One participant expresses concern that a normal mode analysis may not be useful since the cavity is not completely enclosed.
  • Participants acknowledge the presence of radiation losses and discuss the need to assume appropriate boundary conditions at the exit surfaces to compute normal modes.
  • It is suggested that the geometry will have strong coupling to the outside world, potentially washing out the resonances, with a consideration of assuming a perfectly absorbing boundary for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of finite plate dimensions and the effectiveness of normal mode analysis, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of the boundary conditions and the impact of radiation losses on the resonant frequencies and wavelengths, which are not fully resolved.

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Consider two rigid and infinitely long parallel plates (say they are of infinite length in X direction, so running from -inf to +inf in X axis) separated by a distance d (say measured in Y-direction). Let the space between the plates be filled up with a fluid that supports acoustic waves. If we somehow setup the resonance of acoustic wave, the wavelengths corresponding to successive resonant modes are:

λ1 = 2d/1
λ2 = 2d/2
λ3 = 2d/3
and so on.

How does the wavelength change when the plates are no longer of infinite extent in X-direction? If the dimension in X-direction is of the same order as d, what effect would this have on the resonant frequencies/wavelengths?
 
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The boundary conditions will be changed. There are now edges or interfaces normal to x. What are these boundary conditions on these surfaces?
 
The surfaces normal to the x-direction are open to air outside whereas the plates themselves are rigid (normal component of particle velocity = 0).
 
And that air is a different fluid than the fluid between the plates ?
 
No - the medium between the plates and outside is the same, i.e., air.
 
BvU said:
And that air is a different fluid than the fluid between the plates ?
i suppose a normal mode analysis would not be useful as the cavity is not completely enclosed.
 
BvU said:
And that air is a different fluid than the fluid between the plates ?
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Paul Colby said:
You will have radiation losses.
Of course. So in that case, i would need to assume appropriate boundary condition at the exit surfaces of domain and compute the normal modes.
 
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nawidgc said:
Of course. So in that case, i would need to assume appropriate boundary condition at the exit surfaces of domain and compute the normal modes.
Depending on what accuracy you wish, yes. I would expect the geometry shown will have strong coupling to the outside world which will wash out the resonances. You might get some indication by assuming a perfectly absorbing x-boundary.
 

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