Potential Difference between two parallel charged plates.

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical determination of the potential difference between two parallel charged plates, specifically seeking a direct solution using the charge, area, and distance between the plates. Participants express a desire for a solution that does not rely on indirect methods involving the electric field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a direct mathematical solution for the potential difference using the charge 'Q', area 'A', and distance 'd', expressing frustration with indirect methods.
  • Another participant suggests that the potential difference can be derived from the definition of potential, involving work done by the electric field.
  • A participant clarifies that the indirect solution they refer to is the formula V = E*d, where E is the electric field, and they seek a method that directly incorporates the variables of charge, area, and distance.
  • One participant asserts that knowing E = Q/ε0A means there is no substantial difference between the indirect and direct solutions, indicating that integration is trivial in this context due to the uniform electric field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what constitutes a direct versus indirect solution, with no consensus on the preferred method for calculating the potential difference. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and implications of these approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a common understanding of the terms "direct" and "indirect" solutions, and the discussion includes assumptions about the uniformity of the electric field and the integration process involved in calculating potential difference.

Manu Sarbhoy
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How do we find out the potential difference between two equal and opposite charged (conducting) parallel plates mathematically? Let the charge on a plate be 'Q', Total area of a plate be 'A', the distance between the plates be 'd'.
I need a direct mathematical solution please, I've come across various indirect solutions involving the product of the electric field and distance 'd'.

The solution may include use of integration explained in detail.

Please help me with it. My mind has blown off searching books and internet, always getting indirect solutions.
 
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Could you point to one of these indirect solutions? From what you describe it sounds like you just divide by d to get the direct solution.
 
I am not sure what you mean by an indirect solution. Usually the solution is derived from the definition of potential. Here are the steps:
1. Take a point charge from one plate to the other, calculate the work done by the electric field, which you know, since you know the charge and the area and the separation.
2. The negative of the work is the change in potential energy.
3. Divide the change in potential energy with the charge that you moved.
That gives the potential difference.
 
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By indirect solution i meant,
V= E*d
Where E is the electric field between the two plates.
And d is the distance of separation of plates.
And by a direct solution I meant finding the potential difference just by using the variables, charge Q on the plate, the distance of separation d between the plates and Area A of the plate.
And yeah it may include the use of Integration.
DaleSpam said:
Could you point to one of these indirect solutions? From what you describe it sounds like you just divide by d to get the direct solution.
 
You are supposed to already know that E = Q/ε0A. So there is no difference between your so called indirect and direct solutions. The integration is a trivial part of the solution, which arises when you calculate the work or potential energy. It is trivial in this case because the electric field is uniform.
 

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