Center of Mass and Motion of Objects: A Mechanics Exam Review Question

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving the motion of a boat and a child walking on it, specifically focusing on the concept of center of mass and the implications of conservation of momentum in an isolated system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of the child walking across the boat, questioning how this affects the boat's position relative to the pier. There is discussion about whether the child's movement causes the boat to slide and how the conservation of momentum applies to the system.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of momentum and center of mass. Some have offered insights into the stationary nature of the center of mass, while others are questioning the implications of the child's movement on the boat's position. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the motion of the boat and child.

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The problem assumes no friction between the boat and water, which is a critical factor in the discussion of motion and momentum. Participants are also navigating the complexities of mass distribution and its effect on the system's behavior.

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Homework Statement



I'm doing a review for a Mechanics exam I have tomorrow and this first problem given on the review struck me as odd.

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Problem Statement:
An 89kg boat that is 6.6m in length is initially 7.1 m from the pier. A 27 kg child stands at the end of the boat closest to the pier. The child then notices a turtle on a rock at the far end of the boat and proceeds to walk to the far end of the boat to observe the turtle.

How far is the child from the pier when she reaches the far end of the boat? Assume there is no friction between boat and water.
Answer in units of m.

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I tempted to just say 13.7m; but I'm guessing that somehow the child walking across the boat will cause it to slide across the water in the opposite direction. Is this somehow a momentum problem? But I have no way of knowing how quickly the child moves...

The other chain of thought i followed would cause the child's position to stay the same, while the boat moved. But I'm not sure how the different masses would play into this situation and surely it can't be that simple...

What am I missing here?

Thanks!
 
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Conservation of momentum always applies, even without knowing the actual velocities involved. It leads to another useful property of isolated systems: Newton's first law applies to the center of mass of the system.

So, given that the boat and child are initially stationary, their center of mass is likewise stationary.
 
so the child's position would remain constant as the position of the boat changes?
 
No, the isolated system in this case comprises both the child and the boat.
 
so then the boat will remain stationary as the child walks across it?

vi, child = 0
vi, boat = 0

mboatvi, boat + mchildvi, child = 0

vf, child > 0
vf, boat = ?

mboatvi, boat + mchildvi, child = mboatvf, boat + mchildvf, child

0 = 89vf, boat + 29vf, child

if vf, child > 0

vf, boat must be 0.

is this correct?
 
jstep said:
so then the boat will remain stationary as the child walks across it?

No. The boat and child must both move in such a way as to hold the center of mass stationary.

You won't have to consider the velocities at all, merely the location of the center of mass.
 

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