# Rotation problems - Torque & Angular Momentum

1. Apr 11, 2014

### Kavorka

I'm having trouble with two review questions:

1) Julie has been hired to help pain the trim of a building, but she is not convinced of the safety of the apparatus. A 5 m plank is suspended horizontally from the top of the building by ropes attached at each end. Julie knows from previous experience that the ropes being used will break if the tension exceeds 1 kN. Her 80 kg boss dismisses Julie's worries and begins painting while standing 1 m from the end of the plank. If Julie's mass is 60 kg and the plank has a mass of 20 kg, over what range of positions can Julie stand to join her boss without causing the ropes to break?

I believe you need a summation of forces and torques set to zero, and then solve for Julie's distance in the torque equation. My confusion is how to draw the free-body diagram. I have the two tensions as T/2 (I believe they mean the total tension to be 1kN) with the ropes horizontal, but what vertical force balances the weight of the plank and people?

2) The position vector of a particle whose mass is 3 kg is given by r = (4 + 3t^2)j, where r is in meters and t is in seconds. Determine the angular momentum and net torque about the origin acting on the particle.

I found the velocity vector dr/dt = 6tj and the acceleration vector dv/dr = 6j

Torque is position cross force, and the force vector F=ma is 18j. Angular momentum is position cross linear momentum, and the linear momentum vector is 18tj.

My problem is, if you cross all these j vectors don't they equal 0? Wouldn't both the net torque and angular momentum be 0? It seems this kind of problem should have a real answer, so I'm very much doubting myself.

2. Apr 11, 2014

### haruspex

The ropes will be vertical, and in general have different tensions.

3. Apr 11, 2014

### Kavorka

"suspended horizontally from the top of the building" bleh I'm an idiot, thanks. Do you know how the cross product works in the second one?

4. Apr 11, 2014

### haruspex

One is encouraged to post unrelated problems in separate threads. but anyway...
Yes, the answers are both zero. The only doubt is whether you read the question correctly. E.g. are you sure there was no i component in r?

5. Apr 11, 2014

### Kavorka

Yeah I posted the questions exactly as on the sheet, so I guess I had that right.