Centripetal Force and free body diagram

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The discussion focuses on calculating the centripetal force and analyzing the free body diagram for a mass Mb in circular motion. The mass Mb, weighing 402g, moves in a circle with a radius of 18cm, completing 20 revolutions in 12 seconds. The calculated spring force (Fsp) exerted on Mb is 7.967 N, derived from the formula Fsp = mv²/r. Participants emphasize the importance of considering all forces acting on the mass, including tension and gravity, to achieve a complete understanding of the system.

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Homework Statement


a. Draw a free body diagram for mass Mb while in motion (fig. 2a). Identify the centripetal force. assume that the mass hangs vertically

b. Calculate the magnitude of the force exerted by the spring on mass Mb = 402g, moving in a circle of radius r=18cm (fig. 2a). The mass makes 20 revolutions in 12 seconds. Determine the mass m, suspended over the pulley (fig 2b), which stretch the spring by the same amount as during the rotation.


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a. Mb would have 3 forces: F spring (Fsp), F centripetal force (Fc) and F gravity (Fg).
Fsp is point outwards to the right, Fc pointing inwards to the left, and Fg is pointing downwards.
I was wondering if it would have tension from the string supporting Mb?

b. Fsp=Fc = mv2/r = m(2\pif)2r
here, v = 2\pir/T = circumference/Period and frequency = 1/T

1) Fsp = 0.402kg x (2\pi 20rev/12sec)2 x 0.18m'
= 7.967 Nt
I'm not entirely sure if what i did is correct.

2) I'm not entirely sure how to calculate m after this point.
 

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KL90 said:
a. Mb would have 3 forces: F spring (Fsp), F centripetal force (Fc) and F gravity (Fg).
I agree with the number of applied forces, but you are double-counting one of them, and you are neglecting another one.

Actually, if you want to count pseudo-forces (other than weight), then you can list four, and you have listed all but one of them.

KL90 said:
Fsp is point outwards to the right, Fc pointing inwards to the left, ...
I think that you should reread the attachment.

KL90 said:
I was wondering if it would have tension from the string supporting Mb?
Good thinking. Ask yourself: Is the mass in (instantaneous) translational equilibrium (in the rotating frame)? Should there be a force that counteracts the weight, and, if so, what supplies this force?
 

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