Challence problem on electric potential

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the calculation of the distance of closest approach between a proton and an alpha particle, both initially moving towards each other at a speed of 0.010c. The user attempts to apply conservation of energy principles, equating the change in kinetic energy to the potential energy at closest approach. However, a key point raised is that the particles are not stationary at this point, which affects the energy calculations. The user consistently arrives at a distance of 2.45 x 10^-14 meters, while the textbook states the answer is 1.93 x 10^-14 meters. Clarification on the kinetic energy contributions at closest approach is necessary for an accurate solution.
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Edit to the title: CHALLENGE problem on electric potential energy*

Homework Statement


A proton and an alpha particle (q = +2e, m = 4u) are fired directly toward each other from far away, each with an initial speed of 0.010c. what is their distance of closes approach, as measured between their centers?

Homework Equations


u = proton mass = 1.67262158 × 10-27 kilograms
e = elementary charge = 1.60217646 × 10-19 coulombs
Kinetic energy Ke= 1/2 mv^2
U = Kq1q2/r
K = 9.0exp9
deltaKe + deltaU = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


(deltaKe1 + deltaU1) + (deltaKe2 + deltaU2) = 0 where 1 represents the u mass proton and 2 represents the alpha particle.
((0-.5u(.01c)^2) + (Ke*2e/r)) + ((0-2u(0.01c)^2) + (Ke^2e/r)) = 0
solve for r =2.45 *10^-14

the answer in the textbook is 1.93 * 10 ^-14

Iv done this over and over and over and am getting this 2.45 answer. please help! it is very frustrating! thanks!
 
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Hi mrjoe2! :smile:
mrjoe2 said:
A proton and an alpha particle (q = +2e, m = 4u) are fired directly toward each other from far away, each with an initial speed of 0.010c. what is their distance of closes approach, as measured between their centers?

((0-.5u(.01c)^2) + (Ke*2e/r)) + ((0-2u(0.01c)^2) + (Ke^2e/r)) = 0

ah … but they're not stationary at closest approach, are they? :wink:
 
If you consider a proton and an alpha particle as a system, at the closest approach the total kinetic energy of the system is converted to the potential energy.
Hence
.5u(.01c)^2) + + 2u(0.01c)^2) = (Ke*2e/r))
 
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