Change in Angular Momentum Calculation

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The discussion centers around calculating the change in angular momentum for a steel disk as it accelerates from an initial angular velocity to a final angular velocity. Participants explore various approaches to the calculation, including the use of moment of inertia and angular velocity, while addressing potential errors in their methods.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the change in angular momentum using the formula for angular momentum as I * ω, where I is the moment of inertia and ω is angular velocity.
  • Another participant challenges the initial assumption that angular momentum is constant, suggesting that the change in angular momentum should be calculated as I * Δω, where Δω is the change in angular velocity.
  • Several participants provide differing values for the moment of inertia, with one stating I = 3.918 kgm²/s and another calculating I = 1.96 kgm²/s.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formula for angular momentum and the moment of inertia for a solid disk, with some participants referencing external sources like Wikipedia while others express skepticism about their reliability.
  • One participant mentions a formula for angular kinetic energy and attempts to calculate it, but acknowledges using incorrect values initially.
  • Another participant corrects their earlier method for calculating change in angular kinetic energy, indicating a misunderstanding of the formula involving the squares of angular velocities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct approach to calculating the moment of inertia and the change in angular momentum. There is no consensus on the correct values or methods, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about the geometry of the disk and the application of formulas. Participants also note the potential for errors in their calculations and the importance of using established formulas correctly.

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Students and individuals interested in physics, particularly those studying rotational dynamics and angular momentum calculations.

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Homework Statement


a steel disk 400mm in diameter and a mass of 48.98 kg accelerates from 6.28rad/s to 43.98rad/s calculate the change in angular momentum.


Homework Equations


final angular momentum = intial momentum

(I) final x (w) final = (i) initial x (w) intial

I= mr _2


The Attempt at a Solution



(I) initial = 48.98 x 200x10^-3_2 = 1.95 kgm_2/s


(I) final = (I) initial x (w) initial/ (w) final = 1.95 x 6.28/ 43.98 = 0.278 kg/m_2


change in angular momentum = final - initial

(I) initial x (w) initial - (I) final - (w) final

= 1.95 x 6.28 - 0.278 x 43.98 = 19.56 x 10 -3 kgm_2/s

can someone check if this correct thanks again...
 
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You calculate a change in angular momentum in part 3 after assuming the angular momentum is constant in part 2.

The angular momentum is I * ω, and since the moment of inertia I is constant, the change in angular momentum is I * Δω, where

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_moments_of_inertia )

I = m * r^2 / 2 = 48.98 kg * ( 0.4 m / 2 )^2 / 2

and

Δω = ( 43.98 - 6.28 ) rad/s.
 
so I = 3.918kgm_2/s and Δω = 37.7 rad/s

and the change in angular momentum is = I * Δω = 3.918 x 37.7 = 147.70 kgm_2/s

thanx for putting me right...
 
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EricAngle said:
I = m * r^2 / 2 = 48.98 kg * ( 0.4 m / 2 )^2 / 2

and

Δω = ( 43.98 - 6.28 ) rad/s.

This is wrong, from the handout I have the Angular Momentum = Iw(omega)

There is no division of 2. Wikipedia though helpful, isn't the best source of evidence to use because anyone can edit it.

series111 said:
so I = 3.918kgm_2/s and Δω = 37.7 rad/s

and the change in angular momentum is = I * Δω = 3.918 x 37.7 = 147.70 kgm_2/s

thanx for putting me right...

Where did you get 3.918 kgm^2/s from calculating this:

48.98 kg * ( 0.4 m / 2 )^2 / 2


I'd like to ask for help since I have the exact same question to do.

Using the same values I got this below:

Angular Momentum = Iw

I = mr^2 = 48.984 x (0.2)^2 = 1.95936 = 1.96 kgm^2/s

w2 - w1 = 43.98 - 6.28 = 37.7 rad/s^2

therefore: 1.96 x 37.7 = 73.892 kgm^2/s


The next question asks for the change in angular kinetic energy.

This is what I got:

Equation - Angular ke = 1/2Iw^2

1/2x(1.96 x (37.7)^2) = 1.39x10^3

Angular ke = 1.39 kJ

Is this correct??
 
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MathsRetard09 said:
This is wrong, from the handout I have the Angular Momentum = Iw(omega)

There is no division of 2. Wikipedia though helpful, isn't the best source of evidence to use because anyone can edit it.

The 1/2 is for the moment of inertia of a solid disk about its center perpendicular to the plane of the disk, not angular momentum. I used Wikipedia because it's a known result, and I didn't want to do this:

\begin{equation} I = \int dm \ r^2 = \int \left(\frac{M}{\pi R^2} r d\theta dr\right) r^2 = \frac{M}{\pi R^2} \int_0^{2 \pi} d\theta \int_0^R dr r^3 = \frac{1}{2} M R^2 \end{equation}
 
Yes my calculations were wrong however I did calculate them again and got the write answers through a little research :

K^2 = d^2/8 ( This is for a soild Disk i.e Steel Disk)

Where I=mk^2

Where Iw2 - Iw1 ( change in angular momentum)

As for change in angular kinetic energy you are using the correct formula just wrong values.
 
@EricAngle - appolagies haha.

@series111 - I've actually figured it all out now.

My method is wrong because above I do this: (w2-w1)^2

But the correct method is (w2^2-w1^2)

Therefore: 1/2 I (w2^2-w1^2).

But glad you replied. Cheers.
 

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