Change in area due to relative motion

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The problem involves a square with an area of 100 cm² at rest in one reference frame, while an observer moves relative to it at a significant fraction of the speed of light (0.8c) along the diagonal. The task is to determine the area of the square as measured by the moving observer.

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  • Participants discuss the resolution of the square's sides into components along and perpendicular to the diagonal. There is an exploration of length contraction effects on these components due to the observer's motion. Questions arise regarding the assumption that the shape remains a square after contraction.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the implications of length contraction, suggesting that the shape may no longer be a square. The discussion has shifted towards understanding the resultant shape and its area, with some participants proposing that it becomes a rhombus.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made about the shape's properties under relativistic effects, particularly regarding the contraction of sides and the resulting geometry.

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Homework Statement


1) A square of area 100 cm^2 is at rest in the reference frame of O. Observer O’ moves relative to O at 0.8c along the diagonal of the square. What is the area measured by O’?



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The Attempt at a Solution



I solved it the following way:
I resolved each side of the square into 2 components- One along the diagonal and the other perpendicular to the diagonal.
Given that side of square(a)=10 cm
Component of side a along the diagonal=a(cos(45)) cm
Component of side a perpendicular to the diagonal=a(sin(45)) cm
Due to the motion of O’ only the component of a along the diagonal gets
contracted.
Contracted length= a(cos(45))[1 – v^2/c^2]^(1/2)
= 6/(2^(1/2))
Let a1 be the side of the new square w.r.t O’.
By applying Pythagoras theorem,
a1=[ {6/(2^(1/2))}^2 + { a(sin(45))}^2]^(1/2)
= sqrt(68) cm
Area of new square= (a1)^2
= 68 cm^2
But the answer the given in my book is 60 cm^2.
 
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Amith2006 said:

Homework Statement


1) A square of area 100 cm^2 is at rest in the reference frame of O. Observer O’ moves relative to O at 0.8c along the diagonal of the square. What is the area measured by O’?



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I solved it the following way:
I resolved each side of the square into 2 components- One along the diagonal and the other perpendicular to the diagonal.
Given that side of square(a)=10 cm
Component of side a along the diagonal=a(cos(45)) cm
Component of side a perpendicular to the diagonal=a(sin(45)) cm
Due to the motion of O’ only the component of a along the diagonal gets
contracted.
Contracted length= a(cos(45))[1 – v^2/c^2]^(1/2)
= 6/(2^(1/2))
Let a1 be the side of the new square w.r.t O’.
By applying Pythagoras theorem,
a1=[ {6/(2^(1/2))}^2 + { a(sin(45))}^2]^(1/2)
= sqrt(68) cm
Area of new square= (a1)^2
= 68 cm^2
But the answer the given in my book is 60 cm^2.
You calculated the sides of the shape correctly, but why did you assume that the new shape as viewed by the observer was still a square?
 
PhanthomJay said:
You calculated the sides of the shape correctly, but why did you assume that the new shape as viewed by the observer was still a square?

That is because all the sides are contracted to the same extent. So I thought that it would still remain a square.
 
Amith2006 said:
That is because all the sides are contracted to the same extent. So I thought that it would still remain a square.
When you calculated the side a1 using Pythagorus, you correctly took the sq rt of the sum of the squares of the triangle legs. The vertical leg is contracted
along the diagonal of the square in the direction of the motion. The horizontal leg (and horizontal diagonal of the square) is not contracted, since it is perpendicular to the motion. Draw a quick sketch . You no longer will have a square.
 
So the resultant figure is a rhombus, isn’t it?
Area = ½ x (diagonal1)x(diagonal2)
= ½ x [6(2^(1/2))]x[10(2^(1/2)]
= 60 cm^2
Am I right now?
 
Amith2006 said:
So the resultant figure is a rhombus, isn’t it?
Area = ½ x (diagonal1)x(diagonal2)
= ½ x [6(2^(1/2))]x[10(2^(1/2)]
= 60 cm^2
Am I right now?
Yes, you've got it.
 
Thanx buddy.
 

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