Change of ellipse while accelerating the rocket

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of a rocket's acceleration on its trajectory, specifically whether the trajectory remains an ellipse and how it changes in size and shape. Participants explore the implications of acceleration on orbital mechanics, including transitions to hyperbolic trajectories and the characteristics of the orbits during acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while the rocket accelerates, the trajectory remains elliptical and only changes in size, with the Earth remaining at one focus.
  • Another participant argues that as the rocket accelerates past escape velocity, the trajectory transitions from an ellipse to a hyperbola, indicating a shift from an orbit.
  • A different viewpoint states that the new trajectory will intersect with the old one at the point of acceleration, maintaining the height at that location while the Earth remains a focus.
  • One participant notes that the second focus of the ellipse is not required to remain fixed and may move, particularly during inclination changes at specific points in the orbit.
  • Another participant claims that the trajectory cannot be considered elliptical during acceleration due to the presence of multiple forces acting on the rocket, especially relevant for low thrust propulsion systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the trajectory remains elliptical during acceleration, with some asserting it changes to a hyperbola while others maintain it can still be elliptical under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the influence of acceleration direction and the nature of thrust on the trajectory, indicating that assumptions about forces and orbital mechanics may vary. There is also mention of the limitations of simplified models in understanding complex orbital dynamics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying orbital mechanics, rocket propulsion, and the dynamics of space travel, as well as enthusiasts looking to understand the implications of acceleration on trajectories.

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When the rocket accelerates in space does its trajectory which is an ellipse change in size and not the focal points because the Earth is still in one of two and also the current height doesn't increase, right?
 
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Yes the Earth's centre of mass remains the ellipse's focus that is closest to the rocket's trajectory. The ellipse changes in both shape and size as the speed increases. When the rocket accelerates past escape velocity the trajectory changes from an ellipse to a hyperbola, so it ceases to be an orbit.
I don't know what you mean by "the current height".
 
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When a rocket accelerates (in any direction, not just in the direction of travel), its new path will share the following characteristics:

1) The new ellipse (or hyperbola) will intersect with the old one at the location where the acceleration was applied, so yes, the height at that location in the orbit will remain unchanged

2) The Earth (or body being orbited) will still be a focus, yes.

There's no requirement for the second focus to remain fixed though, and in general the second one will move (aside from a pure inclination change while at either periapse or apoapse)

If you're curious to play around with orbits, the game Kerbal Space Program is a really good way to get a feel for how orbits behave when you thrust in various directions, and how to maneuver in space. It does strictly two body mechanics (using patched conics with spheres of influence to handle travel between different bodies), but it's great for at least getting a feel for the basics, and it does so in a much more intuitive way than just looking at the math in my opinion.
 
cjl said:
When a rocket accelerates (in any direction, not just in the direction of travel), its new path will share the following characteristics:
I would say that the trajectory is not elliptical whilst the rocket is actually accelerating because there is not just one central attracting force. This could be more and more relevant when propulsion systems start to use low thrust - long acceleration times.
 

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