Change of variables from one set of coordinates to another in Fourier

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The discussion revolves around the purpose of multiplying by \( e^{-j\omega t} \) in the Fourier transform and the conceptual understanding of the Fourier transform as a change of variables between different coordinate systems. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual implications of this transformation, including its relationship to linear algebra and vector representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Fourier transform can be viewed as a change of variables, similar to representing vectors in different bases.
  • One participant explains that functions can be treated as vectors in \(\mathbb{R}\) or \(\mathbb{C}\), and the Fourier transform represents these functions in the basis of \( e^{j\omega t} \).
  • There is a discussion about why \( e^{-j\omega t} \) is used instead of \( e^{+j\omega t} \), with references to the properties of complex vector spaces and the need for complex conjugation in inner products.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of using complex conjugates to ensure that the inner product behaves correctly in terms of length and orthogonality.
  • Some participants express confusion and seek further clarification on the implications of these mathematical concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact reasons for using \( e^{-j\omega t} \) in the Fourier transform, and the discussion includes multiple competing views and interpretations regarding the mathematical framework and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for a modified inner product for complex vectors, but the specifics of these modifications and their implications remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the relationship between orthogonality and the properties of complex numbers without fully clarifying these connections.

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I am curious to know why we have to multiply with [tex]e^{-j\omega t}[/tex] in Fourier transform? What is the purpose of this? I have heard somewhere that the transform is merely a change of variables from one set of coordinates to another.
I would like to know more about this.
Can you help me?
 
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anhnha said:
I have heard somewhere that the transform is merely a change of variables from one set of coordinates to another.

Have you studied linear algebra? It is like representing the same vector in two different basis. We can consider functions in [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] or [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex] to be vectors too, although they have an infinite amount of coordinates.

Consider the vector to be [itex]f(x)[/itex]. We can also represent this vector in the basis of functions [itex]e^{j\omega t}[/itex]. The coordinates in this basis are [itex]F(\omega)[/itex], which is the Fourier transform of f(x).

[tex]f(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} F(\omega)e^{j\omega t} \mathop{d\omega}[/tex]

So, why do we multiply by [itex]e^{-j\omega t}[/itex] to get [itex]F(\omega)[/itex]? If I had the vector [itex]\begin{bmatrix} 7 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix}[/itex] and I wanted to get the x component of this vector, I could take the dot product with the x basis vector.

[tex]\hat{x} \cdot \begin{bmatrix} 7 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix} 7 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix} = 7 + 0[/tex]

What were are doing is taking the component of the basis vector and multiplying it by the component of the second vector and then adding this up for each component. For functions, we still multiply each component (a value of [itex]f(x)[/itex]) by a corresponding component of the basis, but instead of adding we integrate.

But why do we multiply by [itex]e^{-j\omega t}[/itex] when getting the Fourier transform instead of [itex]e^{+j\omega t}[/itex]? Well this has to do with it being a complex vector space.
Consider what happens here:

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\ \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix} = 1/2 - 1/2 = 0[/tex]

This is a problem, since we want every vector to be some number times a unit vector in that direction. When we take the dot product of the unit vector with the vector, we should get the number. This will not work if the dot product of some (non-zero) vectors with themselves is zero.

The way to fix this is to take the complex conjugate.
[tex]\left(\begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix}\right)^* \begin{bmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\ \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{-i}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\ \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix}= 1/2 + 1/2 = 1[/tex]
 
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Well, thanks a lot!
I am starting to understand it.
 
anhnha said:
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I am curious to know why we have to multiply with [tex]e^{-j\omega t}[/tex] in Fourier transform? What is the purpose of this? I have heard somewhere that the transform is merely a change of variables from one set of coordinates to another.
I would like to know more about this.
Can you help me?

The integral of a function multiplied by [tex]e^{-j\omega t}[/tex] is a definition of Fourier transform.
 
This is a problem, since we want every vector to be some number times a unit vector in that direction. When we take the dot product of the unit vector with the vector, we should get the number. This will not work if the dot product of some (non-zero) vectors with themselves is zero.

The way to fix this is to take the complex conjugate.
Hi, can you explain more about this? May be a link?
I intended to think about it more but I got stuck.
 
Basically if the components of vectors are complex numbers, it is necessary to use a modified version of the inner product so that it works well with concepts like length, orthogonality, and projection.

[itex]\vec{v} = \begin{bmatrix} a_1\\ a_2 \end {bmatrix}[/itex][itex](\vec{v}^T)^* \vec{v} = a_1^*a_1 + a_2^*a_2 \geq 0[/itex]

[itex]\left\| \vec{v}\right\| = \sqrt{a_1^*a_1 + a_2^*a_2}[/itex]

If we omitted the conjurgation, there would be more than one vector whose product with itself is zero. This is bad; we want to connect a zero product to orthogonality, and a non-zero vector should not be orthogonal to itself.
 

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