Change of Variables in Multiple Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of changing variables in multiple-dimensional integrals, specifically focusing on a two-dimensional integral example. Participants explore the process of determining new boundaries of integration after making substitutions, as well as the implications of geometry in these transformations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a specific two-dimensional integral and seeks guidance on changing variables and determining new boundaries after substitutions.
  • Another participant calculates the Jacobian for the transformation and discusses how to express the integrand in terms of the new variables.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliance on geometric visualization for determining integration regions, especially in higher dimensions.
  • One participant suggests that the method of transforming vertices of polygons can simplify the process when dealing with linear transformations.
  • There is a shared uncertainty regarding whether there exists a general method for changing limits of integration that does not depend on geometric considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of geometric visualization in changing variables for integration. While some find it essential, others question its applicability in higher dimensions and suggest that it may lead to reliance on numerical methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the complexity of the integration region and the nature of the transformation can significantly affect the process of changing variables. There is acknowledgment of the limitations in providing a general method applicable to all cases.

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Readers interested in advanced calculus, particularly those dealing with multiple integrals and variable transformations in mathematics and physics.

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So, I've got a problem understanding the "algorithm" for changing variables in a more-than-one-dimensional integral. For the two-dimensional case, I've got a specific problem that I'm looking at:

\int^{a}_{0}\left(\int^{2a-x}_{x}\frac{y-x}{4a^2+(y+x)^2}dy\right)dx

which I assume is an example of the more general case:

\int^{b}_{a}\left(\int^{g(x)}_{f(x)}\phi(x,y)dy\right)dx.

For the particular case, I am to make the given substitutions

u=x+y
v=x-y

and evaluate the integral.

I'm trying to figure out how to determine the new boundaries of integration. In the two dimensional example given above, it's easy enough to draw the region of integration and figure it out, but what if it's not such a simple situation? How does one juggle integration regions? Without drawing it, I'm left with the ugly inequalities

\{x<y<2a-x\} \leftrightarrow \{u+v<u-v<4a-(u+v)\}

and

\{0<x<a\} \leftrightarrow \{0 < u+v < 2a\},

which I can't seem to mentally sort through. In all of the examples I've found online and in textbooks, the region has been drawn. Is this just for illustrative (pun?) purposes, or is it because that's the only straightforward way to determine the regions of integration?

Thanks!

Some background about my understanding:

I've had a basic introduction to the metric G, scale factors, and the Jacobian and the application to transformations.
 
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romistrub said:
So, I've got a problem understanding the "algorithm" for changing variables in a more-than-one-dimensional integral. For the two-dimensional case, I've got a specific problem that I'm looking at:

\int^{a}_{0}\left(\int^{2a-x}_{x}\frac{y-x}{4a^2+(y+x)^2}dy\right)dx
Okay, if u= x+ y and v= x- y, then the Jacobian, which you refer to below, is
\left|\left|\begin{array}{cc}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial u}{\partial y} \\ \frac{\partial v}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial v}{\partial y}\end{array}\right|\right|= \left|\left|\begin{array}{cc}1 & 1 \\ 1 & -1\end{array}\right|\right|= 2 so dudv= 2dxdy and dxdy= (1/2)dudv.

Adding u= x+y and v= x-y we get 2x= u+ v or x= u/2+ v/2. Putting that into u= x+y, u= u/2+ v/2+ y so y= u/2- v/2. The integrand is
\frac{y- x}{4a^2+ (y+x)^2}= \frac{v}{4a^2+ u^2}

If you draw the lines x= 0, y= x, and y= a- x, you see that they form a triangle with one vertex at (a,a) on the vertical line x= a. Other than that, the line x= a is not really a boundary.

The lower limit on the inner integral is y= x or y- x= v= 0. The upper limit is y= a- x or x+ y= u= a. Adding u= x+y and v= x-y gives u+ v= 2x or x= u/2+ v/2. The lower limit of the first limit is x= u/2+ v/2= 0 or u+ v= 0. The upper limit is x= u/2+ v/2= a or u+ v= 2a. We can, for example, write those as v= -u and v= -u+ 2a. Draw those four lines on a uv-plane which is the same as an xy-plane except that you label them u and v. v= 0 is the horizontal axis. u= a is a vertical line. u+ v= 0 or v= -u and u+ v= 2a or v= 2a- u are parallel lines at 45 degrees below the horizontal axis. That parallelogram (the original region in the xy-plane is a triangle) can be covered by taking u form 0 to a and v from -u up to a=0. The integral is
\int_{u= 0}^a\int_{v= -u}^0\left(\frac{v}{4a^2+ u^2}\right)\left(\frac{1}{2}dudv}\right)

which I assume is an example of the more general case:

\int^{b}_{a}\left(\int^{g(x)}_{f(x)}\phi(x,y)dy\right)dx.

For the particular case, I am to make the given substitutions

u=x+y
v=x-y

and evaluate the integral.

I'm trying to figure out how to determine the new boundaries of integration. In the two dimensional example given above, it's easy enough to draw the region of integration and figure it out, but what if it's not such a simple situation? How does one juggle integration regions? Without drawing it, I'm left with the ugly inequalities

\{x<y<2a-x\} \leftrightarrow \{u+v<u-v<4a-(u+v)\}

and

\{0<x<a\} \leftrightarrow \{0 < u+v < 2a\},

which I can't seem to mentally sort through. In all of the examples I've found online and in textbooks, the region has been drawn. Is this just for illustrative (pun?) purposes, or is it because that's the only straightforward way to determine the regions of integration?

Thanks!

Some background about my understanding:

I've had a basic introduction to the metric G, scale factors, and the Jacobian and the application to transformations.

As you see from what I did above (and very likely it is what you did) how you change the limits of integration is heavily dependent on the geometry of the situation. I doubt there is any general method.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
As you see from what I did above (and very likely it is what you did) how you change the limits of integration is heavily dependent on the geometry of the situation. I doubt there is any general method.

I'm just uncomfortable with the "solution by drawing it on paper" strategy. What if you have a four-dimensional integral (it could happen...)? Maybe it's just one of those aspects of calculus that descends into numerical methods once the analysis becomes too bumpy.

Anyways, thanks for the help!
 
If the area is a polygon and the transformation is linear, as in your case, you simply have to transform the verticies of the original polygon to get the verticies of the new polygon. This works in all dimensions.
In the general case, if it's hard to integrate over the new point-set you probably didn't use the right transformation.
 

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