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The discussion revolves around transforming the equation of a surface in three-dimensional space, specifically the equation $2(x^2+y^2+z^2-xy-xz-yz)+3\sqrt{2}(x-z)=1$, into a standard form using symmetric matrices and orthonormal coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in diagonalizing a symmetric matrix and substituting variables to achieve the desired form.

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  • Some participants express the need to diagonalize the symmetric matrix associated with the surface equation and discuss the implications of the spectral theorem.
  • There is a proposal to substitute variables using an orthogonal matrix to simplify the equation.
  • Participants derive a new form of the equation after substitution and explore how to express it in a standard quadratic form.
  • Some participants suggest rewriting the equation in a completed square format to identify parameters for further simplification.
  • There are corrections regarding the substitution of matrices, with participants pointing out errors in earlier steps.
  • Final values for parameters are proposed, leading to a new expression involving transformed variables.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the mathematical transformations and substitutions made throughout the discussion, although there are minor corrections and clarifications regarding specific steps. No major disagreements are noted, and the discussion appears to reach a consensus on the final expressions derived.

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Some assumptions regarding the properties of the matrices and the nature of the transformations are not explicitly stated, which may affect the validity of the derived forms. The discussion also relies on the understanding of diagonalization and orthogonal transformations without fully resolving all mathematical steps.

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Hey! :o

We consider the surface $S$ of the space $\mathbb{R}^3$ that is defined by the equation $2(x^2+y^2+z^2-xy-xz-yz)+3\sqrt{2}(x-z)=1$.

I want to find (using symmetric matrices) an appropriate orthonormal system of coordinates $(x_1, y_1, z_1)$ for which the above equation has the form $ax_1^2+by_1^2+cz_1^2=d$, for some $a,b,c,d\in \mathbb{R}$.
I have done the following:

The eqquation of the surface $S$ can be written in the form $$\vec{x}^T\begin{pmatrix}2 & -1 & -1 \\ -1 & 2 & -1 \\ -1 & -1 & 2\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}=1$$ Since that matrix is symmetric it is diagonalizable with orthonormal basis.

Then we have to write the matrix $\begin{pmatrix}2 & -1 & -1 \\ -1 & 2 & -1 \\ -1 & -1 & 2\end{pmatrix}$ is the form $PDP^{-1}$, or not?

What do we do next?

(Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
The eqquation of the surface $S$ can be written in the form $$\vec{x}^T\begin{pmatrix}2 & -1 & -1 \\ -1 & 2 & -1 \\ -1 & -1 & 2\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}=1$$ Since that matrix is symmetric it is diagonalizable with orthonormal basis.

Then we have to write the matrix $\begin{pmatrix}2 & -1 & -1 \\ -1 & 2 & -1 \\ -1 & -1 & 2\end{pmatrix}$ is the form $PDP^{-1}$, or not?

Hi mathmari!

Yes, and moreover $P$ is orthogonal so that $P^{-1}=P^T$ (Spectral theorem).
So we have:
$$\vec{x}^TPDP^T\vec{x}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}=1 \quad\Rightarrow\quad
(P^T\vec{x})^TD(P^T\vec{x})+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}=1$$
Now suppose we substitute $\vec y = P^T\vec{x}$? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Yes, and moreover $P$ is orthogonal so that $P^{-1}=P^T$ (Spectral theorem).
So we have:
$$\vec{x}^TPDP^T\vec{x}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}=1 \quad\Rightarrow\quad
(P^T\vec{x})^TD(P^T\vec{x})+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\vec{x}=1$$
Now suppose we substitute $\vec y = P^T\vec{x}$? (Wondering)

Then we get $$
\vec{y}^TD\vec{y}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}P\vec{y}=1 \ \ \ \ (\star)$$

We have the matrices \begin{equation*}P=\begin{pmatrix}1 & -1 & -1 \\ 1 & 0 & 1 \\ 1 & 1 & 0\end{pmatrix} \ \text{ and } \ D=\begin{pmatrix}0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 3 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 3\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*}

Then we get from $(\star)$ :
\begin{align*}&\begin{pmatrix}x_1 & y_1 & z_1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1 & -1 & -1 \\ 1 & 0 & 1 \\ 1 & 1 & 0\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x_1 \\ y_1 \\ z_1\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1 & -1 & -1 \\ 1 & 0 & 1 \\ 1 & 1 & 0\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x_1 \\ y_1 \\ z_1\end{pmatrix}=1 \\ & \Rightarrow \begin{pmatrix}x_1 & y_1 & z_1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 3y_1 \\ 3z_1\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}3\sqrt{2} & 0 & -3\sqrt{2}\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x_1-y_1-z_1 \\ x_1+z_1 \\ x_1+y_1\end{pmatrix}=1 \\ &\Rightarrow 3y_1^2+3z_1^2+3\sqrt{2}(x_1-y_1-z_1)-3\sqrt{2}(x_1+y_1)=1 \\ & \Rightarrow 3y_1^2+3z_1^2+3\sqrt{2}x_1-3\sqrt{2}y_1-3\sqrt{2}z_1-3\sqrt{2}x_1-3\sqrt{2}y_1=1 \\ & \Rightarrow 3y_1^2+3z_1^2-6\sqrt{2}y_1-3\sqrt{2}z_1=1 \end{align*}

Is everything correct so far?

How could we continue?

(Wondering)
 
It looks correct to me.
(You substituted P instead of D though, although afterwards you did calculate as if you had substituted D.)

How about we try to write it as $3(y_1 -B)^2 + 3(z_1-C)^2 = d$? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
It looks correct to me.
(You substituted P instead of D though, although afterwards you did calculate as if you had substituted D.)

Oh yes (Blush)
I like Serena said:
How about we try to write it as $3(y_1 -B)^2 + 3(z_1-C)^2 = d$? (Wondering)

We have $$3(y_1^2 -2By_1+B^2) + 3(z_1^2-2Cz_1+C^2) = d\Rightarrow \ldots \Rightarrow 3y_1^2+3z_1^2-6By_1-6Cz_1=d-3B^2-3C^2$$
Since this has to be equal to $$3y_1^2+3z_1^2-6\sqrt{2}y_1-3\sqrt{2}z_1=1$$ we get $$B=\sqrt{2},\ C=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}, \ d=\frac{17}{2}$$ So for $$u:=y_1-\sqrt{2}, \ v:=z_1-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}$$ we get $$3u^2+3v^2=\frac{17}{2}$$ Is the way correct? (Wondering)
 
Yep. It looks correct to me. (Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. It looks correct to me. (Nod)

Great! Thanks a lot! (Smile)
 

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