Changing Center of Ellipse in Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the process of changing the center of an ellipse in polar coordinates. Participants explore the transition from Cartesian equations of conic sections to their polar counterparts, focusing on the mathematical transformations involved.

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  • One participant inquires about an easy method to change the center of a circle or ellipse in polar coordinates.
  • Another participant references standard textbook equations for an ellipse centered at (0, 0) and provides the equation for an ellipse centered at (a, b).
  • A subsequent post suggests converting the Cartesian equations to polar coordinates as the next step.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the solution specifically in polar coordinates, indicating a lack of clarity in previous responses.
  • Further contributions detail the process of inserting polar representations for x and y, and mention the importance of simplifying using trigonometric identities.
  • One participant notes that a previous example was limited to a specific case and suggests using general coordinates (c, d) instead of (a, b) for more flexibility in the transformation.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression derived from the general case, indicating various ways to simplify it and suggesting a compact form for the equation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for changing the center of an ellipse in polar coordinates, and multiple approaches and perspectives are presented throughout the discussion.

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Some assumptions about the relationships between the variables and constants are not fully explored, and the discussion includes various mathematical steps that remain unresolved.

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Hi, does exist an easy way to change the center of circle or a ellipse in polar coordinates?

thanks!
 
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Yes, and it was given in any textbook dealing with the conic sections that I have ever seen:
If the equation of an ellipse centered at (0, 0) is
[tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}+ \frac{y^2}{b^2}= 1[/tex]
then the same ellipse, centered at (a, b) has equation
[tex]\frac{(x- a)^2}{a^2}+ \frac{(y-b)^2}{b^2}= 1[/tex]
 
Now you have to pass from the cartesian eqns that Halls wrote to polar coordinates and you're done.
 
Yes thanks...but I need it in polar coordinates
 
Insert polar representations for "x" and "y", multiply out parentheses and simplify and redefine variables/constants.
In particular, remember simplifying trig identities, such as, for example:
[tex]2\sin^{2}\theta=1-\cos(2\theta)[/tex]
 
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Now, HallsofIvy made out a special case, with the center with the same values as the lengths of the semi-axes.

You shouldn't make that restriction here (call one of the (a,b)-pairs (c,d)-for example).

To give you the first step on your way, multiplying up and out, we get (with (c,d) centre coordinates):
[tex]b^{2}r^{2} \cos^{2}\theta+a^{2}r^{2} \sin^{2}\theta-2b^{2}cr \cos\theta-2a^{2} dr\sin\theta=a^{2}b^{2}-c^{2}-d^{2}[/tex]
There would be various ways to simplify this expression further, and redefing independent constants.

One very compact way of doing so would be to transform your equation into the following form:
[tex]Ar^{2}\cos\gamma+Br\sin\phi=C[/tex]
where the angle "phi" is a phase-shifted version of "gamma"/2 with a fourth constant D to be determined along with A, B and C (gamma being twice the value of "theta")
 
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