Changing H3PO4 to H3PO3 without P4O6

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the conversion of phosphoric acid (H3PO4) to phosphorous acid (H3PO3) using common laboratory materials, specifically without the availability of P4O6. Participants explore methods and reactions that could facilitate this transformation, with a focus on practical approaches for a culminating project.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to convert H3PO4 to H3PO3 without using P4O6, indicating a lack of guidance from their chemistry teacher.
  • Another participant questions whether the reduction of H3PO3, which is a reducing agent, could be reversed to yield H3PO3 from H3PO4.
  • A suggestion is made to set up an electrochemical cell with an appropriate oxidation half-reaction to facilitate the conversion of phosphate to phosphite, with a reference to standard electrode potentials.
  • There is a mention of possibly using an electrolytic reaction to drive the conversion process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus on a specific method for the conversion, and multiple approaches are proposed without agreement on their feasibility or effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the practical implementation of suggested methods and the availability of materials. The discussion also reflects a lack of established procedures for the desired conversion.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in organic chemistry, particularly those exploring chemical transformations and laboratory methods for acid conversions.

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Is there any method, using common laboratory materials, to change phosphoric acid (H3PO4) to phosphorous acid (H3PO3)?

Assume that P4O6 is not available for purchase, but methods to make it are welcome.

This is for a culminating project, so not really homework, but I don't know where else to turn. Even my chemistry teacher doesn't know.
 
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Just another question:

If H3PO3 is a "reducing agent" and H3PO4 is a by-product of the reduction, can an opposite reaction be carried out to yield H3PO3?
 
Does no one om this illustrious forum know?
 
You can probably set up an electrochemical cell (using an appropriate oxidation half reaction) to convert the phosphate to phosphite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_electrode_potential_(data_page )

(It's about half-way down, search for po4)

EDIT: Or maybe drive the reaction using an electrolytic one.
 
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Excellent...

How should I do that, or should I ask my chemistry teacher?

2,718,282 thanks to you.
 

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