Char(F)=p; poly NOT irreduc. => must have a root?

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The discussion revolves around the polynomial f(x) = x^p - a in a field F with prime characteristic p. Participants explore whether this polynomial must have a root if it is not irreducible in F[x], considering the implications of the field's characteristic on the polynomial's behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of Freshman's dream and the binomial expansion in the context of polynomials over fields of characteristic p. There are attempts to reason about the roots of the polynomial and the conditions under which it splits or remains irreducible.

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The discussion is active with various participants questioning assumptions and clarifying concepts related to irreducibility and roots of the polynomial. Some participants suggest exploring contradictions based on the structure of irreducible factors, while others raise concerns about the uniqueness of roots.

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There are mentions of confusion regarding the representation of irreducible polynomials and the nature of roots in the splitting field. Some participants express uncertainty about specific arguments related to the constant term of irreducible factors and the implications of the polynomial's degree.

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Homework Statement



Let F have prime characteristic p and let a be in F. Show that the polynomial f(x)=x^p-a either splits or is irreducible in F[x].

I was given a hit: "what can you say about all of the roots of f in a splitting field?"

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Suppose f has a root b. That is, b^p=a. Then using Freshman's dream, we have (x-b)^p=x^p+(-b)^p=x^p-a, and so it splits. So, it suffices to show that if that polynomial is NOT irreducible, then it must have a root. That's where I got stuck. The statement seems to be false for field of zero characteristic, so the fact that Char(F)=p should be somehow used.
 
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Why don't you use the correct binomial expansion instead of the incorrect Freshman's dream?
 
Dick said:
Why don't you use the correct binomial expansion instead of the incorrect Freshman's dream?

Because it is indeed correct? In a field F of characteristic p for any two x and y in F we have (x+y)^p=x^p+y^p. This is to see using the mentioned binomial expansion and convincing yourself that p divides every binomial coefficient except the frist and the last. Thus, each term in the expansion will look like p*k*x^r*y^s, where k, r and s are some integers whose values are not important. Since for every x in the field we have px=0, all the terms in the expansion (except the first and the last) dissapear. The freshman's dream is a theorem, not a stupid mistake.
 
UD1 said:
Because it is indeed correct? In a field F of characteristic p for any two x and y in F we have (x+y)^p=x^p+y^p. This is to see using the mentioned binomial expansion and convincing yourself that p divides every binomial coefficient except the frist and the last. Thus, each term in the expansion will look like p*k*x^r*y^s, where k, r and s are some integers whose values are not important. Since for every x in the field we have px=0, all the terms in the expansion (except the first and the last) dissapear. The freshman's dream is a theorem, not a stupid mistake.

Ok, so then what's your question? Doesn't that show x^p-a splits if it has a root, since your argument then implies that it has p roots? The Freshman's dream isn't true in characteristic 0.
 
If it has a root everything is clear. What is not clear is why the fact that x^p-a is NOT irreducible implies that it has a root.
 
Assume for contradiction that x^p - a = p(x)q(x), where p and q are non-trivial and irreducible. From what you've said, you know what p(x) and q(x) must look like in the splitting field...can you arrive at a contradiction? It will help to assume p is odd (you can take care of char F = 2 separately).
 
eok20 said:
Assume for contradiction that x^p - a = p(x)q(x), where p and q are non-trivial and irreducible. From what you've said, you know what p(x) and q(x) must look like in the splitting field...can you arrive at a contradiction? It will help to assume p is odd (you can take care of char F = 2 separately).

First of all, it is not true that x^p-2 can be represented as a product of only two irreducible polynomials.
 
How about these arguments. All the roots of x^p-a are p-th roots of a.

Suppose that x^p-2 is not irreducible and factorize in into irreducibles. All of the will be of degree >=2. Consider any of them. Look at the constant term of that factor.

It MUST (BUT WHY?!) look like the p-th root of a to some power, say, k. This tells us that a^{k/p} is in the field. Since p is prime, there is a multiplicative inverse of k, say l, and raising to that power (since field is closed under products) we find that a^{1/p} is in the field. Done.
 
UD1 said:
First of all, it is not true that x^p-2 can be represented as a product of only two irreducible polynomials.

Sorry, I misspoke... but I think my argument still works: write x^p - a as a product of irreducibles. In the splitting field each irreducible is of the form (x-b)^k for some k (where b is the root of x^p - a). Look at the irreducible of lowest degree. This will divide the other factors in the splitting field and therefore in F[x] (this is by uniqueness of Euclidean algorithm since both polys are in F[x]), contradicting that they were irreducible in F[x].
 
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eok20 said:
Sorry, I misspoke... but I think my argument still works: write x^p - a as a product of irreducibles. In the splitting field each irreducible is of the form (x-b)^k for some k (where b is the root of x^p - a). Look at the irreducible of lowest degree. This will divide the other factors in the splitting field and therefore in F[x] (this is by uniqueness of Euclidean algorithm since both polys are in F[x]), contradicting that they were irreducible in F[x].

Why are you referring to a root of x^p-a as THE root? How do you know there is only one root? What if they behave like roots in the complex field?
 
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UD1 said:
Why are you referring to a root of x^p-a as THE root? How do you know there is only one root? What if they behave like roots in the complex field?

In your first post you observed that if b is a root of x^p - a (i.e. b^p = a), then (x-b)^p = x^p - b^p = x^p - a. So in the splitting field x^p - a breaks down as (x-b)^p which has only one root (with multiplicity p).
 
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Unfortunately I missed the last few weeks of my algebra class during which we discussed fields, so I can't help you directly. You mentioned that the constant term of each irreducible factor must be of the form a^{k/p}. I too do not see why this must be so. Did you read that elsewhere?
 

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