Charge conjugation matrix and Dirac equation's solutions

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The discussion revolves around the Dirac equation and its solutions, specifically focusing on the role of the charge conjugation matrix and the nature of the wave function, denoted as psi (ψ). Participants explore the implications of these concepts in quantum mechanics and particle physics, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that free fermions are solutions of the Dirac equation and discusses the application of the charge conjugation matrix (C matrix) to relate particles and antiparticles.
  • Another participant questions the inclusion of the imaginary number in the Dirac equation, seeking clarification on its significance.
  • Several participants note that ψ is a spinor, not a four-vector, emphasizing the differences between these two types of mathematical objects.
  • One participant proposes that ψ could be represented by two different relativistic fields, suggesting this could account for the four states associated with spin for both particles and antiparticles.
  • Another participant encourages others to try Fourier transforming the Dirac equation as a method of exploration, indicating a potential pathway for understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the distinction between spinors and four-vectors, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the charge conjugation matrix and the implications of the Dirac equation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of spinors and four-vectors, as well as the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps related to the charge conjugation matrix and its application to the Dirac equation.

StephvsEinst
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I saw this somewhere but I think it is wrong...

Free fermions are solutions of Dirac's equation:
$$ ( i \hbar \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu - m ) \psi = 0, $$

where $$ \psi $$ is a four vector. Working the equation in terms of $$p_ \mu : $$

$$ ( i \gamma \cdot \mathbf{p} + m ) \psi ( \mathbf{p} ) = 0, $$

because $$p_\mu \rightarrow i \hbar \partial_\mu $$.

There is a C matrix that when applied to a state $$ \psi (\mathbf{p} ), $$ we have:

$$C \langle \psi ( \mathbf{p} ) \mid = \mid \psi ( \bar{ \mathbf{p} } ) \rangle ,$$

i.e., the particle turns into the antiparticle.

If we apply C matrix to the field we obtain:

$$ C ( i \gamma \cdot \mathbf{p} + m )^{T} \psi^{T} ( \mathbf{p} ) = ( -i \gamma \cdot \mathbf{p} + m )C \psi^{T} ( \mathbf{p} ) . $$

Introducing a field $$ \psi^c ( \mathbf{p} )$$, and applying it in Dirac's equation we have:

$$ ( i \gamma \cdot \mathbf{p} + m ) \psi^c ( \mathbf{p} ) = 0. $$

I already read Griffiths' "Introduction to Particle Physics" (the 1st edition) from the page 216 to the page 222 (chapter of Quantum Electrodynamics - section "Solution to the Dirac Equation") and I didn't understood why was there the imaginary number in the equation:

$$ ( i \gamma \cdot \mathbf{p} + m ) \psi ( \mathbf{p} ) = 0. $$

And what is the C matrix?

Can anyone help?
 
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EDIT: In the quote I meant:

$$ C \mid \psi \left( \mathbf{p} \right) \rangle = \mid \psi \left( \bar{ \mathbf{p} } \right) \rangle . $$
 
He basically just Fourier transformed the dirac equation, try it yourself and see what you get.
 
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In the Dirac equation, psi is not a four-vector. It is a spinor, and they are very different physical objects.
 
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phyzguy said:
In the Dirac equation, psi is not a four-vector. It is a spinor, and they are very different physical objects.

I was thinking that psi could be described by two different relativistic fields, with each one having a (1 0) or (0 1) (those two states must be read in a COLUMN vector). Wouldn't this give us the four states: 2 different states of spin (up and down) of the particle and 2 different states of spin of the ANTIparticle?
 
HomogenousCow said:
He basically just Fourier transformed the dirac equation, try it yourself and see what you get.

How the hell did I not think for once of doing the Fourier transform...
Thank you, I will work on that!
 
StephvsEinst said:
I was thinking that psi could be described by two different relativistic fields, with each one having a (1 0) or (0 1) (those two states must be read in a COLUMN vector). Wouldn't this give us the four states: 2 different states of spin (up and down) of the particle and 2 different states of spin of the ANTIparticle?

The Dirac spin ψ does in fact have four components, but that does not make it a four-vector. A four-vector and a Dirac spinor transform very differently under coordinate transformations.
 
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