Charge & Current in a Circuit: V, R, C, & t

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving a battery, a resistor, a capacitor, and a second resistor. The original poster presents a scenario where the switch allows current to flow through the capacitor branch, leading to questions about the charge on the capacitor and the current through the battery after a long time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find expressions for the charge on the capacitor and the current through the battery as time approaches infinity, but notes receiving partial credit for their answers. They question whether their reasoning or calculations were incorrect.
  • Some participants suggest the importance of a diagram for clarity and propose considering the voltage across the capacitor in relation to the circuit's behavior without it.
  • Others question how to derive the charge and current expressions based on the voltage across the capacitor and the implications of the circuit configuration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and offering guidance on how to approach the voltage and charge calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct answers yet, but suggestions for clarifying the problem and refining the approach have been made.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem, which specifies that answers should depend only on the variables R, C, V, and t. There is also mention of the original poster's difficulty in presenting a diagram, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


There is a circuit with a battery of voltage V and resistor R, then splits into two branches one with a capacitor C, and one with a resistor 2R.

The answers for the questions can only depend on R, C, V, and t.

When a switch only allows current to flow through the capacitor branch, the expression for charge is:

##Q = C V (1-e^{-t/(RC)})##

a) When the switch is closed, find an expression for the charge on the capacitor after a very long time (t >> RC)

b) When the switch is closed, find an expression for the current through the battery after a very long time (t >> RC)

Homework Equations



##Q = C V (1-e^{-t/(RC)})##

Current through resistor R:
##I = (V / R) e^{-t/(RC)}##

Current through resistor 2R:
##I = (-V / 2R) e^{-t/(2RC)}##

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I tried taking the limit of the charge as t goes to infinity and got my answer to be CV, but I only received 1/4 possible points for the problem so I either didn't do it right or didn't show all the work.

b) I tried taking the limit of the current and t goes to infinity and got my answer to be 0, but that is also wrong.
 
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Hi EROC. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

1) A good diagram is essential! It helps you explain what you are talking about, helps those who respond, and helps other students understand what is going on.

2) For the voltage at any point as t → ∞, consider what it would be if the capacitor were not in the crcuit. That's what it will settle at when the capacitor is present, too.
 
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To rephrase the questions with the actual diagram (because I didn't know how to upload it with the diagram because it said no attachments)
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a)When S1 and S2 are closed, find an expression for the charge on the capacitor after a very long time (t >> RC)

NascentOxygen said:
2) For the voltage at any point as t → ∞, consider what it would be if the capacitor were not in the crcuit. That's what it will settle at when the capacitor is present, too.

So there would be the voltage of V-IR on the capacitor but what would be the charge, would I just have to solve for ##Q=C(V-IR)## and then solve for the current when acting like the capacitor is not in the circuit.

b)When S1 and S2 are closed, find an expression for the current through the battery after a very long time (t >> RC)
 
Once you establish what the voltage across the capacitor terminals will be, find the charge on its plates using Q=CV
 

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