Charge inside and outside coaxial cable

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The discussion revolves around determining the electric field in different regions of a coaxial cable, specifically when the inner conductor is negatively charged and the outer conductor is positively charged. The problem involves concepts from electrostatics and the application of Gauss's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Gauss's law to find the electric field in various regions of the coaxial cable, using cylindrical symmetry and constructing Gaussian surfaces. Some participants question the correctness of the reasoning and the application of the equations involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and corrections regarding the equations used and the signs of the electric fields. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the application of Gauss's law and the factors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential discrepancies in units and the interpretation of the equations, particularly concerning the factor of 1/4π and the vector nature of the electric field. There is also mention of different forms of Gauss's law that may be causing confusion.

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I'm attempting to teach myself some electrostatics, so that I'll be prepared when I head back to school full time.

Homework Statement


Determine the electric field inside the inner conductor, between the conductors, and outside the conductors of a coaxial cable when the inner conductor is negatively charged with a linear charge density of [tex]-\lambda[/tex] and the outer conductor is positively charged with a linear charge density of [tex]\lambda[/tex].

Homework Equations



[tex]\iint \vec{E} \cdot dS = \frac{q_0}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

[tex]\lambda = \frac{q}{l} = 2\pi r \sigma[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Using cylindrical symmetry, I can dispense with the integral and say that [tex]\vec{E}(2\pi r l) = \frac{2 \pi r l \sigma}{4\pi \epsilon_0}[/tex]. I construct my first Gaussian cylinder inside both the positively charged conductor and the negatively charged conductor. There is no charge enclosed by this Gaussian surface, so the electric field must be zero. I construct my second Gaussian surface outside the negatively charged conductor, but inside the positively charged conductor. The positively charged conductor doesn't contribute anything since it is outside the surface, but the negatively charged conductor, using the equation above, contributes an electric field of [tex]-\frac{\sigma}{4 \pi \epsilon_0}[/tex]. I construct a third Gaussian surface outside both the positively charged conductor and the negatively charged conductor. The net field here is the sum of both the positive flux pointing outward from the positive conductor, and the negative flux pointing inward towards the negative conductor, so the field is 0 outside both conductors.

Does that line of reasoning look correct?

edit: I'm getting confused in this problem by the two variants of Gauss' law I'm seeing - one I'm looking at has the right hand side as being [tex]4\pi k_e q_s[/tex]. That's why I'm getting mixed up with the 4 pi. I'll have to do this over.
 
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Note that, in this equation,

[tex]\vec{E}(2\pi r l) = \frac{2 \pi r l \sigma}{4\pi \epsilon_0}\ ,[/tex]

the 'r' on the left would be the radius of the Gaussian surface. The 'r' on the right would be the radius of the inner conductor.
 
Thank you for the clarification. So for the field between the two conductors, I get [tex]E = \frac{R \sigma}{r \epsilon_0}[/tex], where R is the radius of the inner conductor, and r is the radius of the gaussian surface. This is the same as [tex]2k_e\frac{\lambda}{r}[/tex], where lambda is the linear charge density and [tex]k_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}[/tex].
 
I don't know what units you are using in the class, so I can't comment on the factor of 1/4pi.

The inner conductor is negatively charged. You need to fix the sign.

Earlier, you had this

[tex]\vec{E}(2\pi r l) = \frac{2 \pi r l \sigma}{4\pi \epsilon_0} \ .[/tex]

A little nit-picking, but note that the left side is vector valued and should be a scalar.
 

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