Charge on plates in Millikan's Experiment

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The discussion revolves around Millikan's experiment, specifically focusing on the behavior of charged plates in relation to a capacitor when a switch is turned off. Participants explore the implications of disconnecting a battery from the plates and the resulting electric field dynamics affecting an oil droplet.

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  • Participants discuss the behavior of the plates when the switch is turned off, questioning why they do not function as a capacitor in that state. There are inquiries about the implications of one plate remaining connected to the battery and its effect on the oil droplet's motion.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics of the switch and the resulting electrical potential of the plates. There is acknowledgment that textbooks may oversimplify the explanation, and the discussion is exploring the nuances of the setup without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note that grounding of the plates is often omitted in general physics textbooks, which may lead to misunderstandings about the charge remaining on the plates after disconnection from the battery.

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Why no charge left on a plate if disconnected from a battery?
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When a capacitor is connected to a battery, it gets charged according to the voltage of the battery. If battery is disconnected, the charge stays on the capacitor. In Millikan's experiment used to find charge on an electron, when two plates are connected to a voltage source, they acquire opposite charge as they are behaving just like the aforementioned capacitor. If we put a switch on positive terminal of the battery and switch it off, we say the electric field is turned off, allowing the oil droplet to fall under gravity. My question is why both the plates don't work as capacitor when switch is turned off? Further problem is that one of the plate (negative) ,still connected to battery ,should have negative charge and repel the negatively charged oil drop. So the droplet can't fall freely as we read in the books?
I 'd be thankful to learned PF mentors to spare some time for my question.
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I think the electric field between the two plates is switched off as follows. The switch removes one of the plates from the voltage source while, simultaneously, connecting both of the plates together (electrically). Thus, the two plates very quickly come to the same potential. This eliminates the electric field between the plates.
 
TSny said:
I think the electric field between the two plates is switched off as follows. The switch removes one of the plates from the voltage source while, simultaneously, connecting both of the plates together (electrically). Thus, the two plates very quickly come to the same potential. This eliminates the electric field between the plates.
Thanks for the reply.
You meant that general Physics books at secondary level generally miss this explanation for the sake of simplicity. If so, fine. It means plates do have charge left on them if suddenly separated from the battery.
 
Zahid Iftikhar said:
Thanks for the reply.
You meant that general Physics books at secondary level generally miss this explanation for the sake of simplicity.
Yes. I do happen to have a high school text that has the following figure:

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You can see that when the switch S at the lower right is thrown to the upward position, the upper plate is removed from the battery and both plates are grounded. But, I think you are right that few general physics textbooks take the trouble to show the grounding of the plates.

If so, fine. It means plates do have charge left on them if suddenly separated from the battery.
Yes
 
Thanks dear Sir. The figure you have added has helped me a lot. I ll surely take it down for my class notes. Bundle of thanks for the help.
 
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